6.0199 Rs: OED; CETEDOC; CALL; Guys (7/103)

Elaine Brennan & Allen Renear (EDITORS@BROWNVM.BITNET)
Mon, 17 Aug 1992 21:15:13 EDT

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 6, No. 0199. Monday, 17 Aug 1992.


(1) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 10:39 PDT (12 lines)
From: KESSLER <IME9JFK@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: 6.0195 Qs: CETEDOC; OED on CD-ROM

(2) Date: 13 Aug 1992 16:26:00 -0400 (EDT) (11 lines)
From: "Paul J. Constantine, Yale Univ. Library"
<CONSTANTINE@YALEMED.BITNET>
Subject: Re: 6.0195 Qs: CETEDOC; OED on CD-ROM

(3) Date: 13 Aug 1992 15:50:40 -0600 (MDT) (6 lines)
From: OCRAMER@CCNODE.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: 6.0195 Qs: CETEDOC; OED on CD-ROM

(4) Date: 13 Aug 1992 15:48:23 -0600 (MDT) (6 lines)
From: OCRAMER@CCNODE.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: 6.0195 Qs: CETEDOC; OED on CD-ROM

(5) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:23:19 PDT (6 lines)
From: robertj@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU (Robert Judd)
Subject: OED on CD-ROM

(6) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:46:49 GMT (41 lines)
From: A.K.Henry@cen.exeter.ac.uk
Subject: Re: 6.0186 CALL Journal (1/109)

(7) Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:35:22 CST (21 lines)
From: (James Marchand) <marchand@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: guys

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 10:39 PDT
From: KESSLER <IME9JFK@UCLAMVS.BITNET>
Subject: Re: 6.0195 Qs: CETEDOC; OED on CD-ROM (2/25)

the new one, with 20 volumes, was discussed in the business section of
the NYT the other day, and it is advertized for about...I forget,
between 700-850$, and they think sales will be for libraries. apparently
this new version has all so rts of software for crosschecking,
associated definitions and is just a marvell ous thing for wordhunting,
etymology and all that. Kessler.I would try Oxfrod U P of course, for
news.

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Date: 13 Aug 1992 16:26:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Paul J. Constantine, Yale Univ. Library" <CONSTANTINE@YALEMED.BITNET>
Subject: Re: 6.0195 Qs: CETEDOC; OED on CD-ROM (2/25)

1. Sterling Memorial Library at Yale University owns the CETEDOC on CD-ROM. Fee
lfree to contact me regarding it.

2. The 1st edition of the OED on CD-ROM was marketed by Tri-Star and Oxford Uni
v. Press. The number in the manual is (800) 872-2828. Good luck!
2. The 1st edition of the OED on CD-ROM was marketed by Tri-Star and Oxford Uni
v. Press. The number in the manual is (800) 872-2828. Good l
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Date: 13 Aug 1992 15:50:40 -0600 (MDT)
From: OCRAMER@CCNODE.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: 6.0195 Qs: CETEDOC; OED on CD-ROM (2/25)

Oh; OED on CD-ROM lists for $950 from Oxford Electronic Publishing, which
just *is* Oxford UP/200 Mad. Ave./NY 10016. ISBN is 0-944674-00-3.
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Date: 13 Aug 1992 15:48:23 -0600 (MDT)
From: OCRAMER@CCNODE.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: 6.0195 Qs: CETEDOC; OED on CD-ROM (2/25)

Gary Brower is right to hope someone *else* has bought CETEDOC, the price
being I think $60,000.
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 21:23:19 PDT
From: robertj@zimmer.CSUFresno.EDU (Robert Judd)
Subject: OED on CD-ROM

Yes, OED is available on CD-ROM from Oxford University Press. Don't
know how much $$,but count on $1500+.
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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 14:46:49 GMT
From: A.K.Henry@cen.exeter.ac.uk
Subject: Re: 6.0186 CALL Journal (1/109)

>
> COMPUTER ASSISTED LANGUAGE LEARNING
> An International Journal
>
> To facilitate an interchange of ideas and knowledge, we have
> decided to create a new periodical which will be devoted to all
> aspects of CALL : e.g.
>
> Pedagogical principles and their application to CALL
> Observations on, and evaluation of, commercial and proto-
> type software
> Intelligent Tutoring Systems
> Use of CALL with other forms of Educational Technology,
> in particular conventional, interactive, and digitised
> versions
> of Video and Audio.
>
> Application of AI to language teaching
> A Forum where information relative to CALL users can be
> exchanged.
>
I hope that someone will find time to develop programs to me a CALL need
which never appears in lists like the above: the FUN-type teaching and/or
correction of faulty grammar and spelling in native English speaking
students. I am not joking: I can visualise the kinds of interactive
programs that students would like to use. OF course, IU have neither the
time nor the skill to develop them--but please, I hope someone has!
(Yes, I KNOW Dr Cameron is just down the corridor, but he doesn't have
the time either.....) Help?
I have seen one or two commercial grammar-teaching programs. THey were
terminally boring. One needs graphics, and jokes, and mnemonics, and
vivid examples of what happens when you get the grammar/spelling wrong.
(I remember an excellent little booklet from years ago which addressed
the problem of English pronunciation by means of cartoons--it was fun..)
Avril Henry
A.K.Henry@uk.ac.exeter.cen

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Date: Thu, 13 Aug 92 19:35:22 CST
From: (James Marchand) <marchand@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: guys

Sorry to have led you astray, Dennis; the article was in my file under the
wrong rubric. As to early examples of you(s) guys, it might be well to
look back in Mencken. I note that his 4th ed. (1936), p. 451 mentions
yous guys in his discussion of y'all and the suppletion of the missing
plural for you. I remember the use of guys to include (in this case, only)
girls from a 1944 visit to Buffalo, NY with an army buddy who lived there.
I was shocked to hear his sister shout at a group of girls: "Hey, wait up,
you guys." All of that was foreign to me. In my youth in the rural south,
guy meant weirdo, fop, dandy, person who wore a zoot-suit. All of which
leads me to like the OED's derivation from "guy" meaning "doll, clown",
probably from Guy Fawkes' Day. I note again the use of "you guys" in
central Illinois as a kind of polite/fond form. The waitress at our fa-
vorite restaurant here in Champaign, being fond of old folks, always asks
us "How are you guys doing?" No one ever addressed me politely in the
Army or seemed too fond of me, but I do remember that "you guys" was the
_ihr_ or y'all form used by Northerners in the Army.
Jim Marchand