5.0764 Quote Identifications (10/220)

Elaine Brennan & Allen Renear (EDITORS@BROWNVM.BITNET)
Thu, 12 Mar 1992 16:47:39 EST

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 5, No. 0764. Thursday, 12 Mar 1992.


(1) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 20:44:11 EST (7 lines)
From: ecotter <FCOTTER@SETONVM>
Subject: Re: 5.0760 Non-Electronic Queries

(2) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 21:33:44 EST (8 lines)
From: Michael Morse <MMORSE@VM1.YorkU.CA>
Subject: Re: 5.0760 Non-Electronic Queries

(3) Date: 10 Mar 1992 , 21:40:30 EST (10 lines)
From: MILTONQ@OUACCVMB
Subject: Quote ID No. 7

(4) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 18:52:35 PST (10 lines)
From: cbf@athena.berkeley.edu (Charles Faulhaber)
Subject: Re: 5.0760 Non-Electronic Queries

(5) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 23:59:26 GMT (23 lines)
From: "C. David Frankel" <D7BAIAD@CFRVM>
Subject: 5.0760 quotes

(6) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1992 09:11:13 -0500 (48 lines)
From: "David A. Hoekema" <hoekema@brahms.udel.edu>
Subject: Partington's miscellaneity

(7) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 17:03:26 IST (9 lines)
From: "David M. Schaps" <F21004@BARILVM>
Subject: Re: 5.0760 Non-Electronic Queries
(4/165)

(8) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 09:39:17 CST (13 lines)
From: Oliver Phillips <PHILLIPS@UKANVM>
Subject: RE: Courier query

(9) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 10:23:00 PST (8 lines)
From: Michael_Kessler.Hum@mailgate.sfsu.edu
Subject: (R) Cemetery song

(10) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1992 16:28 EST (84 lines)
From: "Mary Dee Harris, Language Technology"
<MDHARRIS@guvax.georgetown.edu>
Subject: An answer and a question

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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 20:44:11 EST
From: ecotter <FCOTTER@SETONVM>
Subject: Re: 5.0760 Non-Electronic Queries (4/165)

The first is from Herodotus, I believe.

Isn't Forest Lawn the cemetery of the Stars? Cotter
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 21:33:44 EST
From: Michael Morse <MMORSE@VM1.YorkU.CA>
Subject: Re: 5.0760 Non-Electronic Queries (4/165)

Dear J. Partington,
Your musical quote sounds like it might be _Les Preludes_ by Liszt.
Cordially,
Michael
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Date: 10 Mar 1992 , 21:40:30 EST
From: MILTONQ@OUACCVMB
Subject: Quote ID No. 7

Your number 7 quotation comes from the song "Forest Lawn" written by Tom
Paxton (1969) and sung most popularly (as far as I know) by John Denver.
Forest Lawn is a cemetery, not a funeral parlor. You can find the song
on John Denver's "An Evening with John Denver" album (1975).
Peggy Cheney
miltonq@ouaccvmb.bitnet
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 18:52:35 PST
From: cbf@athena.berkeley.edu (Charles Faulhaber)
Subject: Re: 5.0760 Non-Electronic Queries (4/165)

No. 6 "I wonder if, in Norfolk now"

sounds like A.E. Housman.

C. Faulhaber
UC Berkeley
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 92 23:59:26 GMT
From: "C. David Frankel" <D7BAIAD@CFRVM>
Subject: 5.0760 quotes


1. Forest Lawn is earlyish Tom Paxton

2.Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones
Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones
Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones
Now hear the word of the Lord

Oh the foot bones connected to the ankle bone
Ankle bone connected to the leg bone. . .

Of course, some people sing "jumpin' bones"

Hope it helps.

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1992 09:11:13 -0500
From: "David A. Hoekema" <hoekema@brahms.udel.edu>
Subject: Partington's miscellaneity

Richard Partington posted a long list of quote queries, to which I can
offer a few possibly helpful responses:
The song about Forest Lawn (#7) is a Randy Newman song, I believe.
I'm not able to supply album and date--call your college radio station
disc jockeys.
The quotation to the effect that "there is nothing that someone cannot
make less well and sell cheaper" (#7) was on the wall of the hardware store
where I worked 25 years ago, attributed, if memory serves me, to Harry
Truman. That attribution strikes me as even more implausible than
Ruskin. I've seen it any number of times on store walls, but usually
without attribution.
"Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones, hear the word of the Lord" (#12) iis,
I believe, from the black folk spiritual whose chorus runs:
Ezekiel saw the wheel,
way up in the middle of the air,
Ezekiel saw the wheel,
way in the middle of the air.
The big wheel runs on faith,
the little wheel runs on the grace of god--
a wheel in a wheel in a wheel,
] way in the middle of the air.
That's approximate, and from memory. I may have the text on one of the
New World/Library of Congress historical recordings of black and white
folk spirituals.
A personal favorite parallel, from what is probably a white spiritual,
is recorded on Lisa Neustadt and the Angel Band's record, "Anywhere is
Home" (? or maybe another of their albums), and runs in part:
Dry bones in the valley got up and took a little walk,
And the deaf could hear, and the dumb in the valley could talk--
I saw the light come shining, come shining on the ground,
I saw the light come shining, come shining all around.
As for the musical quotation (#3): if nobody recognizes it you might
look for a reference book that is a dictionary of musical themes. I
don't recall the title, but a music librarian would know what I mean:
a large book in which thousands of melodies are arranged in diatonic
"alphabetical" order and identified with the pieces from the classical
repertoire in which they occur.
I stand in awe of anyone whose imaginative life is so rich as to
generate such a long and miscellaneous list of interesting fragments!
--David Hoekema <hoekema@brahms.udel.edu>
Executive Director, American Philosophical Association
Associate Professor of Philosophy
University of Delaware || Phone: 302 831-1112
Newark, DE 19716 || FAX: 302 831-8690
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 17:03:26 IST
From: "David M. Schaps" <F21004@BARILVM>
Subject: Re: 5.0760 Non-Electronic Queries (4/165)

"Neither snow nor rain nor gloom of night ..." (isn't it _dark_ of
night?): the motto of the late U. S. Post, adapted, apparently, from the
words with which Herodotus 8.98.1 describes the pony-express riders of
the Persian Royal Road from Susa to Sardis. I don't know whether the new
privatized U. S. Postal Service retains the motto.
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 09:39:17 CST
From: Oliver Phillips <PHILLIPS@UKANVM>
Subject: RE: Courier query


Jonathan "R." Partington asks for the source of the quotation beginning
"Neither snow nor rain . . . " It comes from Herodotus' _Histories_
8.89.1 and refers to the royal Persian post.

Oliver Phillips
Classics, U. of Kansas
PHILLIPS@UKANVM.BITNET

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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 92 10:23:00 PST
From: Michael_Kessler.Hum@mailgate.sfsu.edu
Subject: (R) Cemetery song

Item no. 7 of the query was written either by Phil Ochs or Tom Paxton,
the former more likely than the latter.

MKessler@HUM.SFSU.EDU
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1992 16:28 EST
From: "Mary Dee Harris, Language Technology" <MDHARRIS@guvax.georgetown.edu>
Subject: An answer and a question

In response to #2 of the list of queries, I was immediately reminded
of the A. A. Milne poem, "Disobedience" in _When We Were Very Young_,
which has a similar refrain:

James James
Morrison Morrison
Weatherby George Dupree
Took great care
Of his Mother,
Though he was only three.
James James
Said to his Mother,
"Mother," he said, said he;
"You must never go down to the end of the twon, if you don't go
down with me."

James James
Morrison's Mother
Put on a golden gown,
James James
Morrison's Mother
Drove to the end of the town.
James James
Morrison's Mother
Said to herself, said she:
"I can get right down to the end of the town and be back in
time for tea."

King John
Put up a notice,
"LOST or STOLEN or STRAYED!
JAMES JAMES
MORRISON'S MOTHER
SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN MISLAID.
LAST SEEN WANDERING VAGUELY:
QUITE OF HER OWN ACCORD,
SHE TRIED TO GET DOWN TO THE END OF THE TOWN--
FORTY SHILIINGS REWARD!"

James James
Morrison Morrison
(Commonly known as Jim)
Told his
Other relations
Not to go blaming <ital>him</ital>
James James
<ital>Said</ital> to his Mother,
"Mother," he said, said he;
"You must <ital>never</ital> go down to the end of the town without
consulting me."

James James
Morrison's mother
Hasn't been heard of since.
King John
Said he was sorry,
So did the Queen and Prince.
King John
(Somebody told me)
Said to a man be knew:
"If people go down to the end of the town, well, what can <ital>anyone
</ital> do?"

<ital>(Now then, very softly)</ital>
J. J.
M. M.
W. G. DuP.
Took great
C/o his M*****
Though he was only 3.
J. J.
Said to his M*****
"M*****," he said, said he:
"You-must-never-go-down-to-the-end-of-the-town-if-don't-go-down-with
ME!"

That was one of my favorite poems (and my son's, as well). I rather
enjoyed typing it in for the rest of you.

Mary Dee Harris