5.0510 Mac Mail (4/147)

Elaine Brennan & Allen Renear (EDITORS@BROWNVM.BITNET)
Mon, 9 Dec 1991 18:40:36 EST

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 5, No. 0510. Monday, 9 Dec 1991.

(1) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1991 12:39:17 -0600 (39 lines)
From: Rex Clark <Rex-Clark@uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Mac Mail S/W

(2) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 91 13:35:03 CST (21 lines)
From: (Gerhard Obenaus) <gobenaus@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: RE:5.0507 Qs: MacMail;

(3) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 91 22:38:09 CST (43 lines)
From: bobt@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: mac s/w fpr email

(4) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1991 23:43:23 -0600 (44 lines)
From: David Bantz <D-Bantz@uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: 5.0507 Qs: MacMail

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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1991 12:39:17 -0600
From: Rex Clark <Rex-Clark@uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Mac Mail S/W

Just to set the record straight, Eudora does work with modems and other
serial connections, as well as with network connections. It is a
well-implemented program with lots of features for using email on the Mac.
It is better than many commercial programs I've seen.

Rex Clark
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
Program in Comparative Literature

>From the Eudora README file by Steve Dorner:

System Requirements:
Macintosh System 6.0.4 or later. (7.0 is fine.)
MacTCP (or the Communications Toolbox & Communications Tools)
POP3 and SMTP servers.

Copies of Eudora may be obtained by anonymous ftp to ftp.cso.uiuc.edu,
in the mac/eudora subdirectory. Copies are also available from the
CSO Resource Center, 1420 DCL MC 256, 1304 W. Springfield,
Urbana, IL 61801, (217) 244-6261. The disks and manual may also be
ordered by mail; just send a check for $15.

If you have suggestions or comments regarding Eudora, please send them
by electronic mail to the author of Eudora, Steve Dorner,
s-dorner@uiuc.edu. Your suggestions are valuable, so don't be reticent.
If you have questions about Eudora, do try the manual and Q&A stacks
first; if they fail you, let me know. I *always* answer my mail; if
you send me mail and don't hear from me, it's because I couldn't get
mail back to you.

Eudora is free for you to use.

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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 91 13:35:03 CST
From: (Gerhard Obenaus) <gobenaus@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: RE:5.0507 Qs: MacMail;

Michael, any standard communications software package on the MAC which
allows you to write scripts (little programs within the communications
program) will let you automate your email. You can customize those
programs to do just about anything you like, although a little work on
your part will be required.


Gerhard Obenaus
Department of Germanic Languages & Literatures
University of Illinois
707 S. Mathews e-mail: g-obenaus@uiuc.edu
Urbana, IL 61801 phone: (217)333-1288

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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 91 22:38:09 CST
From: bobt@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Bob Taylor)
Subject: Re: mac s/w fpr email

On Fri, 6 Dec 91 02:39:33 +0100, Michael Rodemer writes

>...Re: the latter, I have been informed by a friend who has tried it out that
>the EUDORA software works only on ethernet hook-ups. Could anyone suggest s/w
>with which to automate e-mail use via a modem?

Actually, Eudora may be configured to be used over a network (using MacTCP) OR
with a modem (using the Apple Communications Toolbox). And it is easy to
switch Eudora back and forth between these two communications protocols if,
for instance, you are travelling with your Mac.

Potential Eudora users need to consider two demands that the program will
place upon their setup, though.

For one, Eudora works best on a Mac with a hard disk; it won't fit at all on a
Mac with a single 800k drive; and it works only marginally well on a Mac with
only a 1.4Mb floppy drive.

Second, to get your mail delivered to you, Eudora needs to communicate with a
UNIX machine that is running a POP (post office protocol) mailer. If your
university is already running a POP mailer, it will be easy for you to follow
the instructions in the Eudora help files and get Eudora working. If your
university doesn't have a POP mailer running right now, but is interested in
installing one, they can get a POP server for free by anonymous ftp from
lilac.berkely.edu (in the pub directory).

Northwestern's guru for network applications, John Norstad, wrote a "white
paper" on desktop mail in a university environment last February that was
circulated widely among Usenet discussion groups. Some of John's criticisms
of commercial email programs are now out-of-date, but I believe that Eudora
remains an excellent choice for the "standard" at many universities. If you'd
like an e-mail copy of Norstad's article, drop me a note.

Bob Taylor

Academic Computing and Network Services
Northwestern University
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Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1991 23:43:23 -0600
From: David Bantz <D-Bantz@uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: 5.0507 Qs: MacMail

>I have been informed by a friend who has tried it out that the EUDORA software
>works only on ethernet hook-ups. Could anyone suggest s/w with which to
>automate e-mail use via a modem?

That is incorrect. Eudora works reaonably well with serial modem
connection as well as network connections via ethernet boards or appletalk.
Eudora is POP client software meaning that you have to have a POP server
to talk to (for example on a departmental or computer center unix machine,
for which public domain software is available). [POP = Post Office

Modem use does requires that you create an appropriate script to dial the
number, and possibly navigate through other devices to get to the
apporpriate mail server. Once set up, however, the entire process and
interface is exactly the same as being on the net. For example, when I
double-click on my in-box icon on the Mac at home, the software dials in,
navigates a gandalf switch, a tip, the network, and logs in to our server;
any new mail in my mailbox is downloaded to my Mac (& optionally deleted
from from the mailbox on the server); the connection then shuts down;
reading and composing is done on the Mac; when I'm ready to send off mail,
a similar dial-in and navigation takes place, and outgoing messages are
dropped off to be routed on the internet (outbound mail uses SMTP). The
interface is fully Mac-ish, and the total connection time is very small
(unless you receive a truly vast quantity of mail). A version of Eudora
with a convenient scripting language added (making modem use simpler) has
been developed by [Simon Fraser Univeristy, I think].

We use Eudora for both network and dial-in here routinely and find it
highly satisfactory; in fact, we are giving Eudora to some campus
administrators without network connections as their basic e-mail package.
We provide slightly different versions customized for network or dial-in

Eudora was developed at the University of Illinois at Urbana by Steve
Dorner; it is freeware.
David Bantz < d-bantz@UChicago.edu >
Director, Academic & Public Computing
University of Chicago, 1155 East 60th St., Chicago, IL 60637-2745
voice: 312-702-0822 fax: 312-702-9885