5.0479 Rs: Hypertext Software (3/132)

Elaine Brennan & Allen Renear (EDITORS@BROWNVM.BITNET)
Wed, 27 Nov 1991 18:51:58 EST

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 5, No. 0479. Wednesday, 27 Nov 1991.

(1) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1991 16:25:31 -0600 (26 lines)
From: David Bantz <d-bantz@uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: 5.0477 Qs: Hypertext S/W

(2) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 91 17:27:37 CST (87 lines)
From: (Gerhard Obenaus) <gobenaus@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Hypertext

(3) Date: Wed, 27 Nov 91 14:28:36 GMT (19 lines)
From: Donald A Spaeth <GKHA13@cms.glasgow.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: 5.0477 Qs: Hypertext S/W

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 1991 16:25:31 -0600
From: David Bantz <d-bantz@uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: 5.0477 Qs: Hypertext S/W

>Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 5, No. 0477. Tuesday, 26 Nov 1991.
> From: Christian Koch <FKOCH@OBERLIN.BITNET>
> Subject: Seeking HyperText Software Information

For generic hypertext-like applications or simple information management,
ToolBook from Asymmetrix is the equal of HyperCard for Windows-over-DOS
users. For massive amounts of information, or special needs, you may need
to look at more eleaborate development environments with particular
requirements clearly in mind. But then you say the prospective hypertext
author needs greater sophistication than HyperCard with less investment
than it takes to learn HyperCard! I suppose the compromise will have to be
willingness to adapt to the design decisions of others.

There is a wealth of tools in both environments for displaying a primary
text with hypertext links to other materials. Here a couple:

Guide (available for both Mac and DOS)
textra (still under development at Dartmouth - uses HyperCard)
Abulaffia (still under development at Brown - uses HyperCard)

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 91 17:27:37 CST
From: (Gerhard Obenaus) <gobenaus@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Hypertext


I'm afraid you're asking a little much if you want the highest degree of
sophistication without even a modest programming effort. Also, your
friend will probably have to buy a new machine, no matter which platform
he decides to use.

If you want to stay on the MS-DOS platform, a variety of programs are
available. Toolbook is one of them. It runs under Windows, costs about
$ 150.00 (again I'm guessing) and is very similar to Hypercard/Hypertalk.
It is offered by Asymetrix , (206)-637-1500. It will allow very sophisticated
applications to be generated, although it will require some programming for
the more sophisticated stuff, as will Hypercard for the matter. I have used
both Toolbook and Hypercard and find them to be equivalent, although
there are some advantages and drawbacks to both which I will not go into now.
Windows and Toolbook require at the very minimum a 286 machine, which is one
step above XT. But even with a 286, Windows can only be run in standard mode
and will be extremely slow.
Realistically speaking, you'll need a 386 to run Windows. Gateway 2000 has
pretty good deals on those for around $ 1600 with 80Mg harddrive, and VGA.
Check their ads in the ComputerShopper. I'm not associated with Gateway,
just a happy customer.

A program which can be run on the XT is HyperTies. I requires no programming
at all and is very good for linking text files with graphics, etc. If all
you want to do is to be able to highlight a word and then get a translation
of it or look at it in a different context, HyperTies is probably fine. I
dont' have the address handy, but will be happy to look for it if you are

Another program is BlackMagic. It has more capabilities than HyperTies and
will also run on an XT. Again, no programming is required. BlackMagic, like
HyperTies, is designed for interlineary writing/reading. It lets you exit to
DOS and perform various operations at the DOS level and then you may resume
in BlackMagic where you left off. This is a very hand feature and may just
be what your friend is looking for. It is available from
NTERGAID, 2490 Black Rock Turnpike, Suite 337, Fairfield CT 06439.
Phone (203)-368-2174.

I'm not sure what it costs, but as far as I can remember it is affordable.
Otherwise I wouldn't have bought it.

There are also some shareware hypertext programs available (check PC-SIG)
catalogue, but they'll probably not fit the bill. But it may be worth a try.
If you don't have local access to PC-SIG, you may ftp into UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU
The files are stored in the /pub/pc/pc-sic directory. I didn't check this,
so do a directory listing if you can't find it.

The advantage of the MAC is that Hypercard and Hypertalk come with it. As
I understand it, the newer models come with a crippled version because Apple
wants to sell Hypercard separately, but I'm not sure if that has been
implemented yet or if I just heard a rumor.

I don't think you'll need much programming to do the things you indicated
above. Whatever needs to be done can probably be learned on a weekend.
A MAC classic with hypercard and hypertalk on it will probably amount to
$ 1300 or so. This is only a guess, but I think I'm about right.

Basically, all the above applications should allow your friend to do what
he wants. If he can be more specific, I can probably offer more specific

Good luck.

Gerhard Obenaus
Department of Germanic Languages & Literatures
University of Illinois
707 S. Mathews e-mail: g-obenaus@uiuc.edu
Urbana, IL 61801 phone: (217)333-1288


Gerhard Obenaus
Department of Germanic Languages & Literatures
University of Illinois
707 S. Mathews e-mail: g-obenaus@uiuc.edu
Urbana, IL 61801 phone: (217)333-1288

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Date: Wed, 27 Nov 91 14:28:36 GMT
From: Donald A Spaeth <GKHA13@cms.glasgow.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: 5.0477 Qs: Hypertext S/W

There is hypertext software suitable for preparing critical editions
of the sort Christian Koch mentions, most notably Guide, which
runs both under MS DOS and the Mac. (Conversion between the two
formats is also possible.) I know several hypertext enthusiasts
who would claim that Guide provides *true* hypertext, whereas
Hypercard is more an applications toolkit with painting and
hypermedia features.

Guide users include the STELLA Project (Director Des O'Brien)
at the University of Glasgow and Joy Jenkyns (University of Oxford).

Donald Spaeth
CTI Centre for History with Archaeology and Art History
University of Glasgow
D.A.Spaeth at glasgow.ac.uk