5.0163 Responses: Rhetorica (10/138)

Elaine Brennan & Allen Renear (EDITORS@BROWNVM.BITNET)
Thu, 20 Jun 91 16:06:35 EDT

Humanist Discussion Group, Vol. 5, No. 0163. Thursday, 20 Jun 1991.


(1) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1991 17:43 MST (8 lines)
From: OCRAMER%CCNODE@VAXF.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: 5.0159 Qs: Rhetorica

(2) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 91 19:19:00 CDT (12 lines)
From: James Marchand <marchand@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: 5.0159 Qs: Rhetorica

(3) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 00:17:23 EDT (22 lines)
From: Brian Whittaker <BRIANW@VM2.YorkU.CA>
Subject: Rhetorica ad Herennium

(4) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1991 06:54:15 -0400 (8 lines)
From: inwood@epas.utoronto.ca (B. Inwood)
Subject: rhetorica ad herrenium

(5) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 11:09:27 +0200 (12 lines)
From: Ton.vanderWouden@let.ruu.nl
Subject: Re: 5.0159 Qs: Rhetorica

(6) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 08:02 CDT (9 lines)
From: Robin Smith <RSMITH@KSUVM.KSU.EDU>
Subject: Rhetorica ad Herennium

(7) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 9:51:16 CDT (18 lines)
From: James Marchand <marchand@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Ad Herennium (5.0159)

(8) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 10:13:39 -0500 (27 lines)
From: ooi@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Jim Porter)
Subject: rhetorica ad herennium

(9) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 11:27 EDT (15 lines)
From: "Tom Benson 814-865-4201" <T3B@PSUVM>
Subject: Re: 5.0159 Rhetorica ad Herennium

(10) Date: Wed, 19 Jun 91 13:58:30 PDT (7 lines)
From: cbf@athena.berkeley.edu (Charles Faulhaber)
Subject: Re: 5.0159 Qs: Rhetorica

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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1991 17:43 MST
From: OCRAMER%CCNODE@VAXF.Colorado.EDU
Subject: Re: 5.0159 Qs: Rhetorica

The places to start on an ancient rhetoric are George Kennedy's big
history (_Rhetoric in the Roman World_ is I think the title of the
relevant vol., 1972) and then in _L'Annee philologique_ under the text
in question.
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 91 19:19:00 CDT
From: James Marchand <marchand@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: 5.0159 Qs: Rhetorica

On ad Herrenium to Alan David Bulley. I don't know what you are looking
for. I am sure that you have Harry Caplan's Loeb Classic volume from
1954. JJ Murphy's Bibliography of Medieval Rhetoric (now 2d ed, Toronto
series) treats it in passing. Martin R. P. McGuire's two guides,
Introduction to Classical Studies and Introduction to Mediaeval Latin
Studies are always good places to start.

Jim Marchand
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 00:17:23 EDT
From: Brian Whittaker <BRIANW@VM2.YorkU.CA>
Subject: Rhetorica ad Herennium

On the influence of the Rhetorica ad Herennium on Shakespeare, see
T.W.Baldwin, Shakespeare's small Latine and lesse Greeke, a detailed
study of Shakespeare's classical learning. Baldwin argues that the Ad
Herennium was a standard part of the grammar school curriculum in Tudor
England and that Shakespeare knew the book virtually by heart, as
evidenced by the many quotations from it in his plays.

You might also look at:
G.M.A. Grube, The Greek and Roman Critics;
Gilbert Highet, The Classical Tradition;
Ernst Robert Curtius, European Literature and the Latin Middle Ages.

Renaissance writers assumed the book was by Cicero, and most often
referred to it as "Cicero on rhetoric" (as opposed to "Cicero on
invention").

Brian Whittaker
Atkinson College, York University
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1991 06:54:15 -0400
From: inwood@epas.utoronto.ca (B. Inwood)
Subject: rhetorica ad herrenium

The Rhetorica ad Herrenium is widely available in the Loeb Classical
Library (Harvard UP). The edition is by Caplan; it is an exemplary
work on ancient rhetoric in its own right.

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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 11:09:27 +0200
From: Ton.vanderWouden@let.ruu.nl
Subject: Re: 5.0159 Qs: Rhetorica

On Tue, 18 Jun 91 15:26:57 EDT, Alan David Bulley <458507@UOTTAWA>,
asked for material on _Rhetorica ad Herennium_. He might take
Heinrich Lausberg's _Handbuch der literarischen Rhetorik_ as a starting
point.

Hope this helps

Ton van der Wouden
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 08:02 CDT
From: Robin Smith <RSMITH@KSUVM.KSU.EDU>
Subject: Rhetorica ad Herennium

In response to Alan Bulley's request for literature concerning the
Rhetorica ad Herennium, there are discussions of the memory-technique it
contains in a variety of sources: Frances Yates, *The Art of Memory*,
is a standard source. More recently, Mary Carruthers, *The Book of
Memory*. Each of these contains further bibliography.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 9:51:16 CDT
From: James Marchand <marchand@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Ad Herennium (5.0159)

Your question on the ad Herennium piqued my curiosity and added to my
examples of coincidences. Last week's mail brought:

Rhetorique a Herennius, texte etabli et traduit par Guy Achard.
Collection des Universites de France (Paris: Les Belles Lettres, 1989).
It contains a new edition, a French translation, introduction and notes.
It also contains a bibliography. There is also a good deal of work done
by Gualtiero Calboli, whom you could look up in a library. One of the
problems is that the work is frequently cited as Rhetorica ad Herennium
and even, in Der kleine Pauly (unverstaendlicherweise) as Rhetorik ad
Herennium. I should point out that the Lustrum article by Matthes,
cited in the kleiner Pauly, is actally on Hermagoras of Temnos, who is
often thought of as a major source for the ad Herennium. What are you
going to do with the ad Herennium?
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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 10:13:39 -0500
From: ooi@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Jim Porter)
Subject: rhetorica ad herennium


Alan David Bulley ... I can suggest a couple of leads for tracking
down material on RHETORICA AD HERENNIUM.

-for a bibliography of primary and secondary sources, try Richard
Enos' essay on the classical period in THE PRESENT STATE OF
SCHOLARSHIP IN HISTORICAL AND CONTEMPORARY RHETORIC, ed. Winifred
Bryan Horner (Missouri, 1983).

-for critical analyses of RaH, try James J. Murphy, RHETORIC IN THE
MIDDLE AGES (California, 1974); and Murphy's essay on RaH in his
collection A SYNOPTIC HISTORY OF CLASSICAL RHETORIC (Hermagoras,
1983). (You could also try contacting Murphy at, I think, UC-
Davis: he or Rich Enos, at Carnegie Mellon, would I am sure be
able to suggest further leads.)

Good luck with your search--I'd be interested to hear what you
uncover.

Jim Porter
Purdue University
ooi@mace.cc.purdue.edu

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Date: Thu, 20 Jun 91 11:27 EDT
From: "Tom Benson 814-865-4201" <T3B@PSUVM>
Subject: Re: 5.0159 Rhetorica ad Herennium

Alan David Bulley asks about recent scholarship on the
RHETORICA AD HERENNIUM; I was surprised to find on looking at
R. Matlon, INDEX TO JOURNALS IN COMMUNICATION STUDIES (1987) only
one entry on the RHETORICA -- Ray Nadeau's August 1949 translation
and commentary on Book 1 in SPEECH MONOGRAPHS. Matlon does not
index the journal RHETORICA, and I don't offhand remember if there
has been anything there. I assume you've got Harry Caplan's
Loeb Library edition/translation.

Tom Benson
Penn State
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 91 13:58:30 PDT
From: cbf@athena.berkeley.edu (Charles Faulhaber)
Subject: Re: 5.0159 Qs: Rhetorica

Try Rhetorica ad C. Herennium

C.B. Faulhaber