From: CBS%UK.AC.RUTHERFORD.MAIL::CA.UTORONTO.UTCS.VM::POSTMSTR 14-JAN-1989 09:24:28.89 To: archive CC: Subj: Via: UK.AC.RUTHERFORD.MAIL; Sat, 14 Jan 89 9:23 GMT Received: from UKACRL by UK.AC.RL.IB (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 9265; Sat, 14 Jan 89 09:22:40 GM Received: from vm.utcs.utoronto.ca by UKACRL.BITNET (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 1863; Sat, 14 Jan 89 09:22:36 G Received: by UTORONTO (Mailer X1.25) id 0400; Fri, 13 Jan 89 14:45:35 EST Date: Fri, 13 Jan 89 14:45:23 EST From: "Steve Younker (Postmaster)" To: archive@UK.AC.OXFORD.VAX ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 2 Oct 87 14:17:54 BST Reply-To: CMI011@IBM.SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: CMI011@IBM.SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK I have written a short report on the courses I have taught for the Faculty of Arts here over the last year, with some general observations on humanities computing in Southampton. As this report is about 16 pages formatted, I am not sending it direct to HUMANIST, but will forward it to interested parties. Please tell me whether you want a preformatted ASCII text (rather gross) or LaTeX source (the decent version) for you to format yourself. If you have problems, I have sent copies of both to Willard and I hope he can redistribute as needed. The 'New Zealand' controversy; I am sorry to say this, but I think they are in a minority in having to spend real cash on Humanist, and that there is very little that can be done. To slightly correct Steve Younker, mail to Bitnet from JANET in Britain via the EARN gateway is currently funded by IBM, but in the near future the costs will have to be met from elsewhere, and it may revert back to each sender. FLAME ON Since Brian needs to spend a great deal of its money on prosecuting Peter Wright, keeping up a vast nuclear arsenal, and destroying the British education system (the Post Office went ages ago, Steve), I expect that soon you will hear no more than vague squeaks from Thatcherite Britain on HUMANIST..... FLAME OFF The content of HUMANIST: I'm sorry, I thought H. was *founded* for chatter! Isn't the purpose of H. to exchange ephemeral opinions, advice and questions about how computers relate to and are used in the Humanities? Maybe I am wrong, actually - Willard please correct me. If we are merely using the medium to discuss general issues of the humanities then I fail to see how we progress. ASCII communication. So how many books have you read recently that make no use of typographical tricks to make their point? OK, I except novels, but if I pick up (at random) The Computation of Style by Anthony Kenny, and open to page 94, I see a) running head, page numbers b) italics for a book title c) smaller type for a quote d) mathematical setting without even trying. How do you convey that on a dull ASCII terminal? As to the person who suggested that buying a Mac might change ones life: I have had access to 2 Macs for 18 months, c. 5 seconds walk away. The most likely change to my life is death from suicide, due to frustration and anger at the mickey mouse software, the keyboard, the concept, the lot.... If thats the 20th century's answer to Gutenburg and the Book of Kells, god help us all said tiny tim. I for one would rather produce beautiful Gutenberg books with TeX. And so, dear readers (how many dollars so far to whoever owns those phone lines to New Zealand?), I urge you all to start considering sending your HUMANIST contributions in a compressed (there are good, widely available, compression programs - lets use them) form with structural markup. Sound the death knell to *reading* ASCII - leave it to computers. sebastian rahtz. computer science, southampton, uk ========================================================================= Date: 2 October 1987, 12:02:25 EDT Reply-To: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Subject: Costs A network "postmaster" in New Zealand has kindly supplied some information about the cost of e-mail to and within his country. Some of his remarks bear on charges elsewhere in the world, so I pass the brief whole on to you. W.M. =========================================================================== A single copy of the Humanist mail comes into NZ at Waikato University over a Public Packet Switching network; thus we are charged on a volume basis, rather than letter basis. From there, a single copy is sent to each participating University, and redistributed internally. Thus the major cost is the importation of the material. The costs to individual recipients will go down if the number of recipients in NZ grows; otherwise costs can only go up (with a TELECOM monopoly) because a leased line connection is out of the question in the forseeable future. Internal charges for mail are 1/10th the international charges. The problem of mail costs is not entirely academic for our European colleagues I believe EARN is scheduled to move to Packet-Switching sometime, and then people will also be charged on a volume basis. This may be absorbed by the institutions involved (as the leased-line costs are now) or they may be passed on to individual departments. Whatever, one becomes more concious of costs when every word one sends adds to a University's bills, particularly if budgets become stretched. I know: we moved from a leased-line to a packet-switched connection to a sister institution - the real cost has dropped to a fraction of what it was, but I no longer shift megabytes around. The problem affects more than NZ; electronic mail is a wonderful way for remote and unwealthy universities to keep in touch and we should spread the gospel to (other) Third World countries, but they won't be connected by leased lines. Some of my collegues will be addressing this problem at the EDUCOM conference. Regards. AJB (Postmaster - Auckland University) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 05 Oct 87 15:34:12 EDT Reply-To: Steve Younker Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: Steve Younker A VERY brief test. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 05 Oct 87 12:06:15 BST Reply-To: Network Mailer Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: Network Mailer Subject: mail delivery error Batch SMTP transaction log follows: 220 UK.AC.RL.IB Columbia MAILER X1.24 BSMTP service ready. 050 HELO UKACRL 250 UK.AC.RL.IB Hello UKACRL 050 MAIL FROM: 250 ... sender OK. 050 RCPT TO: 250 ... recipient OK. 050 DATA 354 Start mail input. End with . 554 Mail aborted. Maximum hop count exceeded. 050 QUIT 221 UK.AC.RL.IB Columbia MAILER BSMTP service done. 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Fri, 02 Oct 87 16:48:50 BS Received: from UTORONTO(MAILER) by UKACRL (Mailer X1.24) id 5675; Fri, 02 Oct 87 16:45:44 BS Received: by UTORONTO (Mailer X1.23b) id 7590; Fri, 02 Oct 87 09:31:34 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Oct 87 14:17:54 BST Reply-To: CMI011%UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON.IBM@UK.AC.RL.IB Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: CMI011%UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON.IBM@UK.AC.RL.IB To: Francis Candlin I have written a short report on the courses I have taught for the Faculty of Arts here over the last year, with some general observations on humanities computing in Southampton. As this report is about 16 pages formatted, I am not sending it direct to HUMANIST, but will forward it to interested parties. Please tell me whether you want a preformatted ASCII text (rather gross) or LaTeX source (the decent version) for you to format yourself. If you have problems, I have sent copies of both to Willard and I hope he can redistribute as needed. The 'New Zealand' controversy; I am sorry to say this, but I think they are in a minority in having to spend real cash on Humanist, and that there is very little that can be done. To slightly correct Steve Younker, mail to Bitnet from JANET in Britain via the EARN gateway is currently funded by IBM, but in the near future the costs will have to be met from elsewhere, and it may revert back to each sender. FLAME ON Since Brian needs to spend a great deal of its money on prosecuting Peter Wright, keeping up a vast nuclear arsenal, and destroying the British education system (the Post Office went ages ago, Steve), I expect that soon you will hear no more than vague squeaks from Thatcherite Britain on HUMANIST..... FLAME OFF The content of HUMANIST: I'm sorry, I thought H. was *founded* for chatter! Isn't the purpose of H. to exchange ephemeral opinions, advice and questions about how computers relate to and are used in the Humanities? Maybe I am wrong, actually - Willard please correct me. If we are merely using the medium to discuss general issues of the humanities then I fail to see how we progress. ASCII communication. So how many books have you read recently that make no use of typographical tricks to make their point? OK, I except novels, but if I pick up (at random) The Computation of Style by Anthony Kenny, and open to page 94, I see a) running head, page numbers b) italics for a book title c) smaller type for a quote d) mathematical setting without even trying. How do you convey that on a dull ASCII terminal? As to the person who suggested that buying a Mac might change ones life: I have had access to 2 Macs for 18 months, c. 5 seconds walk away. The most likely change to my life is death from suicide, due to frustration and anger at the mickey mouse software, the keyboard, the concept, the lot.... If thats the 20th century's answer to Gutenburg and the Book of Kells, god help us all said tiny tim. I for one would rather produce beautiful Gutenberg books with TeX. And so, dear readers (how many dollars so far to whoever owns those phone lines to New Zealand?), I urge you all to start considering sending your HUMANIST contributions in a compressed (there are good, widely available, compression programs - lets use them) form with structural markup. Sound the death knell to *reading* ASCII - leave it to computers. sebastian rahtz. computer science, southampton, uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 05 Oct 87 12:07:52 BST Reply-To: Network Mailer Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: Network Mailer Subject: mail delivery error Batch SMTP transaction log follows: 220 UK.AC.RL.IB Columbia MAILER X1.24 BSMTP service ready. 050 HELO UKACRL 250 UK.AC.RL.IB Hello UKACRL 050 MAIL FROM: 250 ... sender OK. 050 RCPT TO: 250 ... recipient OK. 050 DATA 354 Start mail input. End with . 554 Mail aborted. Maximum hop count exceeded. 050 QUIT 221 UK.AC.RL.IB Columbia MAILER BSMTP service done. 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Fri, 02 Oct 87 16:49:27 BS Received: from UTORONTO(MAILER) by UKACRL (Mailer X1.24) id 5778; Fri, 02 Oct 87 16:46:22 BS Received: by UTORONTO (Mailer X1.23b) id 7593; Fri, 02 Oct 87 09:31:36 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Oct 87 14:17:54 BST Reply-To: CMI011%UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON.IBM@UK.AC.RL.IB Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: CMI011%UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON.IBM@UK.AC.RL.IB To: Sebastian Rahtz I have written a short report on the courses I have taught for the Faculty of Arts here over the last year, with some general observations on humanities computing in Southampton. As this report is about 16 pages formatted, I am not sending it direct to HUMANIST, but will forward it to interested parties. Please tell me whether you want a preformatted ASCII text (rather gross) or LaTeX source (the decent version) for you to format yourself. If you have problems, I have sent copies of both to Willard and I hope he can redistribute as needed. The 'New Zealand' controversy; I am sorry to say this, but I think they are in a minority in having to spend real cash on Humanist, and that there is very little that can be done. To slightly correct Steve Younker, mail to Bitnet from JANET in Britain via the EARN gateway is currently funded by IBM, but in the near future the costs will have to be met from elsewhere, and it may revert back to each sender. FLAME ON Since Brian needs to spend a great deal of its money on prosecuting Peter Wright, keeping up a vast nuclear arsenal, and destroying the British education system (the Post Office went ages ago, Steve), I expect that soon you will hear no more than vague squeaks from Thatcherite Britain on HUMANIST..... FLAME OFF The content of HUMANIST: I'm sorry, I thought H. was *founded* for chatter! Isn't the purpose of H. to exchange ephemeral opinions, advice and questions about how computers relate to and are used in the Humanities? Maybe I am wrong, actually - Willard please correct me. If we are merely using the medium to discuss general issues of the humanities then I fail to see how we progress. ASCII communication. So how many books have you read recently that make no use of typographical tricks to make their point? OK, I except novels, but if I pick up (at random) The Computation of Style by Anthony Kenny, and open to page 94, I see a) running head, page numbers b) italics for a book title c) smaller type for a quote d) mathematical setting without even trying. How do you convey that on a dull ASCII terminal? As to the person who suggested that buying a Mac might change ones life: I have had access to 2 Macs for 18 months, c. 5 seconds walk away. The most likely change to my life is death from suicide, due to frustration and anger at the mickey mouse software, the keyboard, the concept, the lot.... If thats the 20th century's answer to Gutenburg and the Book of Kells, god help us all said tiny tim. I for one would rather produce beautiful Gutenberg books with TeX. And so, dear readers (how many dollars so far to whoever owns those phone lines to New Zealand?), I urge you all to start considering sending your HUMANIST contributions in a compressed (there are good, widely available, compression programs - lets use them) form with structural markup. Sound the death knell to *reading* ASCII - leave it to computers. sebastian rahtz. computer science, southampton, uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 05 Oct 87 12:08:08 BST Reply-To: Network Mailer Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: Network Mailer Subject: mail delivery error Batch SMTP transaction log follows: 220 UK.AC.RL.IB Columbia MAILER X1.24 BSMTP service ready. 050 HELO UKACRL 250 UK.AC.RL.IB Hello UKACRL 050 MAIL FROM: 250 ... sender OK. 050 RCPT TO: 250 ... recipient OK. 050 DATA 354 Start mail input. End with . 554 Mail aborted. Maximum hop count exceeded. 050 QUIT 221 UK.AC.RL.IB Columbia MAILER BSMTP service done. 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Fri, 02 Oct 87 16:49:31 BS Received: from UTORONTO(MAILER) by UKACRL (Mailer X1.24) id 5790; Fri, 02 Oct 87 16:46:27 BS Received: by UTORONTO (Mailer X1.23b) id 7609; Fri, 02 Oct 87 09:31:48 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Oct 87 14:17:54 BST Reply-To: CMI011%UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON.IBM@UK.AC.RL.IB Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: CMI011%UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON.IBM@UK.AC.RL.IB To: Keith Cameron I have written a short report on the courses I have taught for the Faculty of Arts here over the last year, with some general observations on humanities computing in Southampton. As this report is about 16 pages formatted, I am not sending it direct to HUMANIST, but will forward it to interested parties. Please tell me whether you want a preformatted ASCII text (rather gross) or LaTeX source (the decent version) for you to format yourself. If you have problems, I have sent copies of both to Willard and I hope he can redistribute as needed. The 'New Zealand' controversy; I am sorry to say this, but I think they are in a minority in having to spend real cash on Humanist, and that there is very little that can be done. To slightly correct Steve Younker, mail to Bitnet from JANET in Britain via the EARN gateway is currently funded by IBM, but in the near future the costs will have to be met from elsewhere, and it may revert back to each sender. FLAME ON Since Brian needs to spend a great deal of its money on prosecuting Peter Wright, keeping up a vast nuclear arsenal, and destroying the British education system (the Post Office went ages ago, Steve), I expect that soon you will hear no more than vague squeaks from Thatcherite Britain on HUMANIST..... FLAME OFF The content of HUMANIST: I'm sorry, I thought H. was *founded* for chatter! Isn't the purpose of H. to exchange ephemeral opinions, advice and questions about how computers relate to and are used in the Humanities? Maybe I am wrong, actually - Willard please correct me. If we are merely using the medium to discuss general issues of the humanities then I fail to see how we progress. ASCII communication. So how many books have you read recently that make no use of typographical tricks to make their point? OK, I except novels, but if I pick up (at random) The Computation of Style by Anthony Kenny, and open to page 94, I see a) running head, page numbers b) italics for a book title c) smaller type for a quote d) mathematical setting without even trying. How do you convey that on a dull ASCII terminal? As to the person who suggested that buying a Mac might change ones life: I have had access to 2 Macs for 18 months, c. 5 seconds walk away. The most likely change to my life is death from suicide, due to frustration and anger at the mickey mouse software, the keyboard, the concept, the lot.... If thats the 20th century's answer to Gutenburg and the Book of Kells, god help us all said tiny tim. I for one would rather produce beautiful Gutenberg books with TeX. And so, dear readers (how many dollars so far to whoever owns those phone lines to New Zealand?), I urge you all to start considering sending your HUMANIST contributions in a compressed (there are good, widely available, compression programs - lets use them) form with structural markup. Sound the death knell to *reading* ASCII - leave it to computers. sebastian rahtz. computer science, southampton, uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 05 Oct 87 12:10:37 BST Reply-To: Network Mailer Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: Network Mailer Subject: mail delivery error Batch SMTP transaction log follows: 220 UK.AC.RL.IB Columbia MAILER X1.24 BSMTP service ready. 050 HELO UKACRL 250 UK.AC.RL.IB Hello UKACRL 050 MAIL FROM: 250 ... sender OK. 050 RCPT TO: 250 ... recipient OK. 050 DATA 354 Start mail input. End with . 554 Mail aborted. Maximum hop count exceeded. 050 QUIT 221 UK.AC.RL.IB Columbia MAILER BSMTP service done. 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Fri, 02 Oct 87 16:49:35 BS Received: from UTORONTO(MAILER) by UKACRL (Mailer X1.24) id 5803; Fri, 02 Oct 87 16:46:33 BS Received: by UTORONTO (Mailer X1.23b) id 7613; Fri, 02 Oct 87 09:31:51 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Oct 87 14:17:54 BST Reply-To: CMI011%UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON.IBM@UK.AC.RL.IB Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: CMI011%UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON.IBM@UK.AC.RL.IB To: Simon Lane I have written a short report on the courses I have taught for the Faculty of Arts here over the last year, with some general observations on humanities computing in Southampton. As this report is about 16 pages formatted, I am not sending it direct to HUMANIST, but will forward it to interested parties. Please tell me whether you want a preformatted ASCII text (rather gross) or LaTeX source (the decent version) for you to format yourself. If you have problems, I have sent copies of both to Willard and I hope he can redistribute as needed. The 'New Zealand' controversy; I am sorry to say this, but I think they are in a minority in having to spend real cash on Humanist, and that there is very little that can be done. To slightly correct Steve Younker, mail to Bitnet from JANET in Britain via the EARN gateway is currently funded by IBM, but in the near future the costs will have to be met from elsewhere, and it may revert back to each sender. FLAME ON Since Brian needs to spend a great deal of its money on prosecuting Peter Wright, keeping up a vast nuclear arsenal, and destroying the British education system (the Post Office went ages ago, Steve), I expect that soon you will hear no more than vague squeaks from Thatcherite Britain on HUMANIST..... FLAME OFF The content of HUMANIST: I'm sorry, I thought H. was *founded* for chatter! Isn't the purpose of H. to exchange ephemeral opinions, advice and questions about how computers relate to and are used in the Humanities? Maybe I am wrong, actually - Willard please correct me. If we are merely using the medium to discuss general issues of the humanities then I fail to see how we progress. ASCII communication. So how many books have you read recently that make no use of typographical tricks to make their point? OK, I except novels, but if I pick up (at random) The Computation of Style by Anthony Kenny, and open to page 94, I see a) running head, page numbers b) italics for a book title c) smaller type for a quote d) mathematical setting without even trying. How do you convey that on a dull ASCII terminal? As to the person who suggested that buying a Mac might change ones life: I have had access to 2 Macs for 18 months, c. 5 seconds walk away. The most likely change to my life is death from suicide, due to frustration and anger at the mickey mouse software, the keyboard, the concept, the lot.... If thats the 20th century's answer to Gutenburg and the Book of Kells, god help us all said tiny tim. I for one would rather produce beautiful Gutenberg books with TeX. And so, dear readers (how many dollars so far to whoever owns those phone lines to New Zealand?), I urge you all to start considering sending your HUMANIST contributions in a compressed (there are good, widely available, compression programs - lets use them) form with structural markup. Sound the death knell to *reading* ASCII - leave it to computers. sebastian rahtz. computer science, southampton, uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 05 Oct 87 12:10:40 BST Reply-To: Network Mailer Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: Network Mailer Subject: mail delivery error Batch SMTP transaction log follows: 220 UK.AC.RL.IB Columbia MAILER X1.24 BSMTP service ready. 050 HELO UKACRL 250 UK.AC.RL.IB Hello UKACRL 050 MAIL FROM: 250 ... sender OK. 050 RCPT TO: 250 ... recipient OK. 050 DATA 354 Start mail input. End with . 554 Mail aborted. Maximum hop count exceeded. 050 QUIT 221 UK.AC.RL.IB Columbia MAILER BSMTP service done. 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Fri, 02 Oct 87 16:49:38 BS Received: from UTORONTO(MAILER) by UKACRL (Mailer X1.24) id 5812; Fri, 02 Oct 87 16:46:35 BS Received: by UTORONTO (Mailer X1.23b) id 7634; Fri, 02 Oct 87 09:31:55 EDT Date: Fri, 2 Oct 87 14:17:54 BST Reply-To: CMI011%UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON.IBM@UK.AC.RL.IB Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: CMI011%UK.AC.SOUTHAMPTON.IBM@UK.AC.RL.IB To: Humanists' Group I have written a short report on the courses I have taught for the Faculty of Arts here over the last year, with some general observations on humanities computing in Southampton. As this report is about 16 pages formatted, I am not sending it direct to HUMANIST, but will forward it to interested parties. Please tell me whether you want a preformatted ASCII text (rather gross) or LaTeX source (the decent version) for you to format yourself. If you have problems, I have sent copies of both to Willard and I hope he can redistribute as needed. The 'New Zealand' controversy; I am sorry to say this, but I think they are in a minority in having to spend real cash on Humanist, and that there is very little that can be done. To slightly correct Steve Younker, mail to Bitnet from JANET in Britain via the EARN gateway is currently funded by IBM, but in the near future the costs will have to be met from elsewhere, and it may revert back to each sender. FLAME ON Since Brian needs to spend a great deal of its money on prosecuting Peter Wright, keeping up a vast nuclear arsenal, and destroying the British education system (the Post Office went ages ago, Steve), I expect that soon you will hear no more than vague squeaks from Thatcherite Britain on HUMANIST..... FLAME OFF The content of HUMANIST: I'm sorry, I thought H. was *founded* for chatter! Isn't the purpose of H. to exchange ephemeral opinions, advice and questions about how computers relate to and are used in the Humanities? Maybe I am wrong, actually - Willard please correct me. If we are merely using the medium to discuss general issues of the humanities then I fail to see how we progress. ASCII communication. So how many books have you read recently that make no use of typographical tricks to make their point? OK, I except novels, but if I pick up (at random) The Computation of Style by Anthony Kenny, and open to page 94, I see a) running head, page numbers b) italics for a book title c) smaller type for a quote d) mathematical setting without even trying. How do you convey that on a dull ASCII terminal? As to the person who suggested that buying a Mac might change ones life: I have had access to 2 Macs for 18 months, c. 5 seconds walk away. The most likely change to my life is death from suicide, due to frustration and anger at the mickey mouse software, the keyboard, the concept, the lot.... If thats the 20th century's answer to Gutenburg and the Book of Kells, god help us all said tiny tim. I for one would rather produce beautiful Gutenberg books with TeX. And so, dear readers (how many dollars so far to whoever owns those phone lines to New Zealand?), I urge you all to start considering sending your HUMANIST contributions in a compressed (there are good, widely available, compression programs - lets use them) form with structural markup. Sound the death knell to *reading* ASCII - leave it to computers. sebastian rahtz. computer science, southampton, uk ========================================================================= Date: 6 October 1987, 11:22:55 EDT Reply-To: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Subject: Current flood of British junk mail People on both sides of the Atlantic are trying to discover the cause of the problem that has resulted in the recent flood of junk mail from the U.K. We do not yet know if it was temporary and will not recur or is something more serious. If it continues we will first suspend HUMANIST for a day or two, then if the problem has not been found, we will restart HUMANIST without its U.K. members. They will be sent HUMANIST messages by a different means until the crisis is over. I very much regret that this latest spill is vexing you. Yours, W.M. _________________________________________________________________________ Dr. Willard McCarty / Centre for Computing in the Humanities University of Toronto / 14th floor, Robarts Library / 130 St. George St. Toronto, Canada M5S 1A5 / (416) 978-4238 / mccarty@utorepas.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 7 Oct 87 18:26:22 BST Reply-To: CMI011@IBM.SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: CMI011@IBM.SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK Apologies to those who suffered at the hands of my last HUMANIST contribution; I am unclear whether it was the fault of my machine or somewhere else. A quick question: who uses Icon? Roger Hare was suggesting a UK User Group, and it would be nice to know across the globe what the use is of Icon in the HUMANIST community. If people care to mail me or Roger, we would be glad to make some sense of the responses. (For those who dont have it, Icon is Griswold's structured successor to Snobol, available at media cost for Vax, Unix, MSDOS etc) sebastian rahtz. computer science, southampton, uk ========================================================================= Date: 7 October 1987, 18:04:50 EDT Reply-To: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Subject: The latest flood of junk mail & watchfulness As far as we can tell, the latest outburst of junk e-mail was due to an isolated incident at the EARN/JANET gateway in the U.K. and should no longer trouble us. Response to this incident was slow because the local Postmaster and I thought that we alone were getting the junk. To improve our service we have each added a test account to HUMANIST that will allow us to see exactly what ListServ is sending everyone else. It is still possible that some node or gateway will cause trouble to you alone, however. So, if you're getting trashed, copy the trash and send it to your local expert and to us. I think it's important for us to be vigilant and vocal about the faults and virtues of the complex system that makes HUMANIST possible. My guess is that humanists are less tolerant of the quirks and get less pleasure from them than those who have gone before. We who value literacy can be a potent force for the improvement of e-mail. Our friends in New Zealand (I hope they are still our friends after this recent spill!) have alerted us to the unpleasant possibility of having to put a price on each word. As subsidies, such as IBM's in Canada, are removed, provision of free e-mail will have to be argued for, and fewer people will want to argue for an error-ridden, flaky system than for a truly reliable one. Thanks for your continued support and patience. Yours, W.M. _________________________________________________________________________ Dr. Willard McCarty / Centre for Computing in the Humanities University of Toronto / 14th floor, Robarts Library / 130 St. George St. Toronto, Canada M5S 1A5 / (416) 978-4238 / mccarty@utorepas.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: 8 October 1987, 13:54:16 EDT Reply-To: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Subject: Conference report touching on HUMANIST Dear Colleagues: This past weekend I had the opportunity to talk about HUMANIST and related matters with a small group at the annual conference of the Medieval Association of America, in Cleveland, Ohio. Four sessions on computing in the humanities were held, of which time allowed me to attend three. The next to the last session was given entirely by HUMANISTs: Chuck Henry (Columbia), May Katzen (Leicester), and John J. Hughes (Bits & Bytes Review). I won't attempt to summarize what they said, but from their talks, as from the talking of computing humanists everywhere, the need for the sharing of information became very clear. This need was addressed in the final session of the series. This session began with the questions of access to information and the forms it might take. Several participants (among whom I was one) stubbornly insisted that the quality and reliability of information and its means of organization are more important than mere quantity. The field is no longer so poor that we need gratefully snatch at whatever might be found; in fact, a researcher can easily be overwhelmed by the volume of raw information available in many areas of humanities computing. We are not yet able, however, to depend on accepted conventions of quality, aim, and focus. We gave some attention to standards for software. Some participants noted that these do not need to be spelled out, rather they should be analogous to the implicit standards of traditional academic disciplines. Several people complained of the general lack of agreement about what constitutes good software, with the concomitant undependability of software reviews. These often do little more than illuminate the ignorance of the reviewer. Trust, one participant pointed out, is essential; otherwise the reinvention of wheels is a lamentable necessity. The MLA's project to provide peer-review of software, which Randy Jones announced recently here, was mentioned as one positive sign. The lack of academic recognition for work in our field (which contributes to the poor quality of reviews) naturally reared its blatant ugliness, but one participant reported that at his institution a group of senior professors had been able, after tireless efforts, to get such work to count towards hiring, tenure, and promotion. There was general agreement that such recognition depends not only on the unbending insistence of senior faculty but also on the solidity of the work and the dependability of its means of access. May Katzen pointed to the wider problem of access on various levels. Experts can forget that computing or potentially computing humanists require information according to their experience and interests. Introductory guidebooks, textbooks, and courses are thus as necessary as comprehensive bibliographies. Again, the worth of information is not necessarily proportional to its volume but depends on its structure and its reliability. Existing and forthcoming channels of communication were discussed: May Katzen's HUMBUL electronic bulletin board and its parallel "Humanities Communication Newsletter" in the U.K.; John Hughes' "Bits and Bytes Review" and forthcoming book, "Bits, Bytes, & Biblical Studies: A Resource Guide for the Use of Computers in Biblical and Classical Studies" (forthcoming November 20, 1987, by Zondervan Publishing House); the "Humanities Computing Yearbook" that Ian Lancashire and I are involved with; our own HUMANIST; and several books, journals, newsletters, and other electronic services. May Katzen later noted that, "we need different kinds of vehicles for conveying different kinds of information about computing in the humanities, depending on the information itself and the needs and interests of users and readers." I found myself noticing that what makes HUMANIST different from the others (and I think especially valuable) is that its conversational style encourages not so much the exchange of information but of ideas and substantive issues. As editor of HUMANIST I usually try to stimulate or provoke discussions rather than contribute to them, but here I cannot resist offering my view that the discussion of ideas and issues is what we do best of all. This is not to say that HUMANIST should not be used for distributing listings, texts, reviews, and so forth, just that our prime possibility for contribution to our emerging discipline seems to me more philosophical than informational. Unless, that is, "information" is interpreted etymologically, to mean "that which bestows form." Form is exactly what we need (architecture, not just more bricks), and this, I think, was the primary message of the sessions I attended in Cleveland. Many thanks are due to David Richardson, managing editor of the Spenser Encyclopedia and organizer of the sessions on computing, for his inexhaustible generosity, kindness, and enthusiasm for real computing in the real humanities. Yours, W.M. [This message has 95 lines.] _________________________________________________________________________ Dr. Willard McCarty / Centre for Computing in the Humanities University of Toronto / 14th floor, Robarts Library / 130 St. George St. Toronto, Canada M5S 1A5 / (416) 978-4238 / mccarty@utorepas.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: 8 October 1987, 14:11:41 EDT Reply-To: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Subject: Republication of HUMANIST From time to time contributions to HUMANIST may be republished electronically elsewhere, for example, on May Katzen's HUMBUL bulletin board. If you do not want something of yours republished in this way, please attach a brief statement to that effect to your contribution. W.M. ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 87 14:43:11 BST Reply-To: CMI011@IBM.SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: CMI011@IBM.SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK A small plea: I am supervising a 3rd year Computer Science student's project, and we have decided he is to write a 'browsing aid' for German, a program to take a reader through a text in a language he/she more or less knows and gives help on vocabulary and grammar when requested. So a) I know other people have done/are doing similar projects. Any suggestions as to what to avoid or what features to aim for? b) we really need a machine-readable German-English dictionary; has anyone got such a beast, however skimpy, that we could have or buy? Sorry if this seems really naive - any thoughts welcome. sebastian rahtz. computer science, southampton, uk ========================================================================= Date: Friday, 9 October 1987 0931-EST Reply-To: KRAFT@PENNDRLN Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: KRAFT@PENNDRLN Subject: Status of Humanities Computing I appreciate Willard's good report on the Cleveland discussions, and will use its appearance as an opportunity to (again) try to air some strategies for addressing some of the issues raised. My biggest disappointment with HUMANIST (balanced by many positive aspects) is the failure of all but a few HUMANISTS to become involved in substantive discussions of how to help make computing an accepted part of the arsenal of tools for humanist scholarship, teaching and research. Specifically, I have not received a single comment from any HUMANIST member (pro or con) on the suggestion that we take cooperative steps to produce an appropriate standard information column to offer to professional societies for their newsletters/journals, similar to what I already do for Religious Studies News. It seems to me that until and unless we raise the consciousness of our relatively uninitiated colleagues to the values, availability, etc. of computer related developments, we will make little headway on many of the issues touched on by Willard's report. The HUMANIST membership presumably represents various professional societies and connections. What do you think about this idea? Would you be willing to be involved, at least as an advocate to your own societies? Or am I wrong that there is a need for such "consciousness raising"? I did get a limited amount of response to an earlier question about cooperation (consortium model) among the various "centers." The context of my query was the rejection by NEH of a proposal that, among other things, argued for the creation of a position of "coordinator" for pursuing such a consortium arrangement. Among the comments from reviewers of the proposal was the question whether the existing "centers" really wanted such cooperation? I had hoped to learn from the HUMANIST participants whether they thought that a move to cooperative efforts (in coordinating information, producing generally useful software and encoding data, quality control, etc.) was a useful idea or not. There is no point in spending hours to write grant proposals if those who would supposedly profit from the project being proposed are not interested in it! Conferences are fine to discuss what needs to be done, but at some point, shouldn't we face up to the practical questions of who will do what and how to fund it? Your ideas are *eagerly* sought, and should be of interest to most other HUMANISTS, I would think. Bob Kraft ========================================================================= Date: 9 October 1987 10:54:10 CDT Reply-To: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster Sender: HUMANIST Discussion Comments: E: Mail origin cannot be determined. Comments: E: Original tag was FROM: U18189 at UICVM (Michael Sperberg-McQueen ) From: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster Subject: Browing aids Just a quick note on some existing browsing aids I know about, in answer to Sebastian Rahtz's inquiry. Jim Noblett at Cornell was working, last I heard, on a system for foreign-language (specifically French, but I think the system was to be extensible) composition work. The basic concept was that of an editor or word processor with the tools to make second-language composition easier, specifically online dictionary lookups in either direction, and the ability to examine inflectional paradigms on demand (to find out just what the second-person plural future perfect subjunctive form IS). There may have been standard compositional aids, too (outlining, screen-blanking for brain- storming sessions, and so on), but I don't believe there were when I saw the program in 1986. A system for browing rather than composition would require a different, but overlapping, set of features. Perhaps someone more with more recent knowledge can report on the program. Commercially, there is a system called Mercury, for creating and using online lexica. This is a memory-resident program for IBM PCs and compatibles; the intended users, I believe, are primarily working translators (who would construct specialized lexica for technical fields, to aid their work in technical translation) and language teachers and learners (who would use the online dictionary for browsing texts in the target language, or for composition). I have not used Mercury myself, but the grapevine I've heard has been positive. One big advantage: it's memory resident and so can be consulted from whatever editor the user fancies -- the user is not forced into a specific kind of editor to use the lexicon. Since you asked for desiderata, I'll suggest five: (1) The user should be able to browse through the dictionary headwords (eg on a screen with one headword per line, and the beginning of the dictionary article on the rest of the line). (2) The user should not have to type the word to be looked up, if it's already on the screen: positioning the cursor over the word in question should be enough. (3) Ideally, the user should be able to find inflected forms as well as dictionary-headword forms -- at least for irregular inflections. (4) (For this the student should get serious extra credit!) I always want to look up synonyms and near-synonyms of words I am learning -- so it would be nice to be able to get a display of words with similar meanings. A hidden lookup based on Roget's thesaurus numbers might be one approach to this task, but maybe your student can come up with something better. (5) In reading the text, the user should have the same freedom of movement found in any normal text editor: forward and backward by screen or line. This seems obvious to me but there are serious programs for humanists which give you a forward-only browse function, and eventually they make me want to put my fist through the screen. Finally, I want to argue that a truly serious program of this kind (not necessarily a student project, or a program one writes for oneself and one's friends, but certainly a program written for wide serious distribution, whether commercial or not) would do very well to handle texts in formats other than plan vanilla ASCII. One can always export a Wordstar or Word Perfect file to ASCII, and ditto for most other programs -- but it's a boring, burdensome chore and it would be a real boon to have text-analysis tools be able to handle one's word processor files without further ado. Ideally, the analysis program would recognize bolding and underscoring and centering, and display accordingly -- failing that, I'd settle for a program that just stripped out the control codes and displayed legible text. Would it be so impossible to handle files in the five or six most common word processors? From my experiences deciphering Word perfect files, I'd say not impossible at all. Do other people agree, or would this be asking too much of our software-making friends? (And which editors are the most commonly used and should be supported?) (This message has 81 lines, including the address header.) ========================================================================= Date: Fri, 9 Oct 87 10:52:19 EDT Reply-To: "Dr. Joel Goldfield" Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: "Dr. Joel Goldfield" Dear Colleagues, I thank Willard for his encouraging advocacy of our concerns and heartily agree with his observation about the need for senior colleagues to press for inclusion of our activities in job descriptions. Observing my few senior colleagues has shown me that when they begin to work with word processors and gleefully join me in pointing out the major pedago- gical failings of much computer-assisted language instruction, they become much more involved in computing in the humanities, and always on an optimistic bent. This favorable disposition sometimes requires a bit of time, up to a year, but it inevitably occurs here, at least, if the faculty member starts to do something productive with computers. --Joel D. Goldfield Plymouth State College (NH, USA) ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 12-OCT-1987 11:43 EST Reply-To: IDE@VASSAR Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: IDE@VASSAR Subject: willard's message In response to Willard McCarty's note outlining discussions about the nedd for information exchange in t he filed of humanities computing, I would like to point out two current efforts by ACH to accomplish this: first, ACH has just received a grant from NEH to develop guidelines for the encoding of texts intended for research in literature and linguistics. Such guidelines will provide consistency in machine-readabel texts and enable (as well as hopefully encourage) the development of software for manipulation and analysis of such texts that does not require specialized forms of input. Second, ACH is at present applying to NEH to augment a data base of information on computers and the humanities courses and establish an on-line bibliogrphy for computers and the humanities. Nancy M. Ide ide@vassar ========================================================================= Date: 12 October 1987 11:24:21 CDT Reply-To: Michael Sperberg-McQueen Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: Michael Sperberg-McQueen Subject: Consolidated Computer Column for humanists Reflections on Bob Kraft's idea of a consolidated column on computer uses in research, to be distributed to / for / by a variety of scholarly organizations. At first sight, I confess this idea did not fill me with enthusiasm. A general column might easily be reduced to common denominator material (look at what happened to PMLA when they decided to print only articles of 'general interest') and end up containing no information of real interest to anyone, at least not regularly. It would be work, at least for the columnist. My zeal for proselytizing has fallen off sharply of late. And does a column of this sort really belong in a journal? Reconsidering it, however, the idea looks not bad at all. If I envision it as appearing not necessarily in the journal, but rather in the newsletter, of my various professional organizations, the idea of a regular column seems less incongruous. And if I envision it as discussing character set standards, the American Association of Publishers electronic manuscript markup tags, text encoding issues, text analysis software, special-purpose systems like the Ibycus, and giving the occasional overview of word-processing issues and problems of displaying and printing special characters on a level appropriate for reasonably competent non-beginners -- in short, if I envision its contents as similar to those of Bob Kraft's column (the ones I've seen), it becomes positively attractive. I for one can well do without more material aimed at novices, but a colunn for people who have outgrown novice material would fill a need. As the list above suggests, I wouldn't urge much concentration on commercial software, though they needn't be banned entirely. Instead, discussions of (a) widespread problems and the various approaches to their solution, (b) standards and standardization efforts, and (c) examples of concrete work (e.g. a report on how the Lexicon Iconographicum Mythologiae Classicae has organized its database, -- without becoming too involved in details of their database management system: staying on the level of data analysis and organization) that other people can learn from. Question: if such a column is a good idea, is there any way to make it a reality? Is writing such a column within the reasonable limits of one person's time? (Perhaps Bob Kraft and Dan Brink can comment on this, as two people who've done it.) I assume that if it's a good idea, HUMANISTS and/or members of the ACH Special Interest Group for Humanities Computing Resources (SIGHCR) would be willing to help whoever (singular or plural) is willing to write such columns. I assume moreover that the columnist(s), if any materialize, would find HUMANIST useful as a sounding board and source of information. Should SIGHCR do more? Should we take it upon ourselves to (a) determine that a column of this type should be produced, (b) find a victim -- excuse me, volunteer -- to write it, (c) attempt to syndicate it to the various professional organizations as a supplement to or substitute for any such column they might now have or want? Or should we keep our hands off and allow things to take some organic process of development? Since December will see at least one of our steering committee at the MLA and in a position to buttonhole the MLA newsletter people, perhaps we should attempt to reach some consensus on this soon, so as not to waste the opportunity, if opportunity it is. (When it left my hands, this note contained 65 lines. I am not responsible if some mailer adds error messages at the top.) ========================================================================= Date: 12 October 1987, 14:59:34 EDT Reply-To: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Subject: More biographies ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Autobiographies of HUMANISTs Third Supplement Following are 19 more entries to the collection of autobiographical statements by members of the HUMANIST discussion group. Further additions, corrections, and updates are welcome, to MCCARTY at UTOREPAS.BITNET. W.M. 11 October 1987 ========================================================================= *Bratley, Paul Departement d'informatique et de r.o., Universite de Montreal, C.P. 6128, Succursale A, MONTREAL, Canada H3C 3J7, (514) 343 - 7478 I have been involved in computing in the humanities since the early 1960s, when I worked at Edinburgh University on automated mapping of Middle English dialects. Since then I have been involved in projects for syntax recognition by computer and a number of lexicographical applications. With Serge Lusignan I ran for seven years at the University of Montreal a laboratory which helped users with all aspects of computing in the humanities. As a professor of computer science, it is perhaps not surprising that my interests lie at the technical end of the spectrum. I designed, with a variety of graduate students, such programs as Jeudemo (for producing concordances), Compo (for computer typesetting), and Fatras (for fast on-line retrieval of words and phrases), all of which were or are still used inter- nationally in a variety of universities. My main current research interest involves the design of a program for on-line searching of manuscript catalogues. The idea is to be able to retrieve incipits despite unstable spelling and such-like other variants in medieval texts. The project, involving partners in Belgium, Morocco and Tunisia is intended to work at least for Latin, Greek and Arabic manuscripts, and possibly for others as well. ========================================================================= *Carpenter, David I am an assistant professor of theology at St. Joseph's University in Philadelphia with training primarily in the history of religions. I work on Indian traditions (Hinduism and Buddhism) as well as some work on Western Medieval material. I have recently been engaged in putting a Sanskrit test into machine-readable form and would like to see what else has been done. ========================================================================= *Dixon, Gordon Bitnet Editor-in-Chief, Literary and Linguistic Computing, Institute of Advanced Studies, Manchester Polytechnic, Oxford Road, Manchester, M15 6BH U.K. In particular, my interest lies in the publication of good quality papers in the areas of: Computers applied to literature and language. Computing techniques. Reports on research projects. Hardware and software. CAL and CALL. Word Processing for Humanities. Teaching of computer techniques to language and literature students. Survey papers and reviews. ========================================================================= *Gilliland, Marshall Department of English, University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada S7N 0W0 (306) 966-5501 campus, (306) 652-5970 home I'm a professor of English whose literary specialty is American literature, and I also teach expository prose, first-year classes, and utopian literature in English. Thus far, I'm the lone member of my department to use a mainframe computer and to teach writing using a computer. Most immediately, I'm the faculty member responsible for getting a large computer lab for humanities and social science students in the college, and one of the few faculty promoting using computers. I maintain the list ENGLISH on CANADA01. ========================================================================= *Hamesse, Jacqueline Universite Catholique de Louvain, Chemin d'Aristote, 1, B-1348 LOUVAIN-LA-NEUVE (Belgium) Je suis membre du Comite d'ALLC et Co-ordinator de l'organisation des Conferences annuelles de cette association. D'autre part, je suis Professeur a l'Universite Catholique de Louvain et Presidente de l'Institut d'Etudes Medievales. Je travaille depuis vingt ans dans le domaine du traitement des textes philosophiques du moyen age a l'aide de l'ordinateur. Pour le moment, j'etudie surtout les possibilites offertes par l'ordinateur pour la collation et le classement des manuscrits medievaux. Je viens de lancer avec Paul Bratley de l'Universite de Montreal un projet international de Constitution d'une base de donnees pour les incipits de manuscrits medievaux (latins, grecs, hebreux et arabes). ===================================================================== *Hubbard, Jamie I teach in the area of Asian Religions at Smith College, focusing on East Asian Buddhism. I am also active in attempting (??!!) to archive Chinese materials on CD-ROM and other sundry projects (IndraNet, bulletin board/ conferencing for Buddhist Studies, has been around for app. 2 yrs). ========================================================================= *Hughes, John J. (for other electronic addresses, see bottom of front page of last issue of the "Bits & Bites Review") 623 Iowa Ave., Whitefish, MT 59937, (406) 862-7280 Background: Vanderbilt University, Westminster Theological Seminary, Cambridge University. I taught in the Religious Studies Department at Westmont College in Santa Barbara, California, from 1977-1982. I am now the Editor/Publisher of "Bits & Bytes Review," the author of "Bits, Bytes, & Biblical Studies: A Resource Guide for the Use of Computers in Biblical and Classical Studies," and a contributing editor to Joe Raben's "The Electronic Scholars Resource Guide." I am also a free-lance editor and technical writer. I am a member of the ACH and ALLC. ========================================================================= *James, Edward Dept of History, University of York, Heslington, YORK YO1 5DD, U.K. My interests are in the field of early medieval history, specifically Frankish history, and with a special interest in Merovingian cemeteries. ========================================================================= *Jones, Randall L. Humanities Research Center, 3060 JKHB, Brigham Young University Provo, Utah 84602, (Tel.) 8013783513 I am a Professor of German and the Director of the Humanities Research Center at Brigham Young University. I have been involved with using the computer in language research and instruction since my graduate student days at Princeton, 1964-68. My activities have included the development of language CAI, diagnostic testing with the computer, interactive video (I worked on the German VELVET program), computer assisted analysis of modern German and English and the development and use of electronic language corpora. I have worked closely with the developers of WordCruncher (aka BYU Concordance) to make certain that the needs of humanists are properly met (e.g. foreign character sets, substring searches, etc.). In 1985 I organized (with the good assistance of my colleagues in the HRC) the 7th International Conference on Computers and the Humanities, which was held at BYU. I am a member of the Executive Council of the Association for Computers and the Humanities, the Chairman of the Educational Software Evaluation Committee of the Modern Language Association, a member of the Committee on Information and Communication Technology of the Linguistic Society of America, and a member of the Editorial Board of "SYSTEM". I have written articles and given lectures on many aspects of the computer and language research and instruction. ========================================================================= *Lane, Simon Computing Service, University of Southampton, Highfield, Southampton, England. I am currently employed as a Programmer in the Computing Service at Southampton University, England, and have special responsibility for liaison with the Humanities departments within the University, and support of their computing needs. ========================================================================= *Lessard, Greg I am a linguist (Ph.D. 1983, Laval, in differential linguistics, for a study of formal mechanisms of antonymy in English and French). I have been teaching in the Department of French Studies at Queen's since 1978 and have been involved in humanities computing for several years now, in a variety of areas: 1) computer-aided analysis of literary texts. In 1986 Agnes Whitfield and I gave a paper at the annual meeting of the "Association canadienne- francaise pour l'avancement des sciences" where we used a computer analysis to compare two novels by Michel Tremblay and Victor-Levy Beaulieu, respectively. Agnes is also in French Studies. 2) production of computer-readable texts. For the past year or so, I have participated in a group project in the Department of French Studies at Queen's which involves the entry into the mainframe of computer-readable texts by means of a Kurzweil data entry machine. 3) concordance production. J.-J. Hamm (of Queen's) and I are working on a concordance of the novel "Armance" by Stendhal. 4) linguistic analysis. I make heavy use of the computer in my work analysing errors in student texts produced in French. 5) annotation. Diego Bastianutti (of Queen's) and I are working in the area of annotation as a teaching tool in the humanities. We gave a paper at this year's Learned Societies where we outlined our research and presented a prototype of an annotation facility based on the word processing program "PC-Write". 6) computer-aided instruction. With a group of colleagues in the languages and in computer science at Queen's, I am working on an intelligent computer-aided instruction system for French, other Romance languages, and eventually a variety of other languages as well. We are in the second year of this multi-year project, funded in part by the Ministry of Colleges and Universities of Ontario. ========================================================================= *Logan, George M. Professor and Head, Department of English, Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario, Canada K7L 3N6; 613-545-2154 My area of literary specialization is the English Renaissance. For my research interests in computer applications to literary studies, see the biography of my colleague David Barnard. For 1986-87, I have been chairman of the Steering Group for Humanities Computing of five Ontario universities: McMaster, Queen's, Toronto, Waterloo, and Western Ontario. I am also a member of the steering group of the Ontario Consortium for Computing and the Humanities. ========================================================================= *Ravin, Yael I have an M.A. in Teaching English as a Second Language from Columbia University and a Ph.D in Linguistics from the City University of New York. My Ph.D thesis is about the semantics of event verbs. I am a member of the Natural Language Processing Group at the Watson Research Center of IBM. My work consists of writing rules in a computer language called PLNLP for the detection of stylistic weaknesses in written documents. I am now beginning research in semantics. This research consists of developing PLNLP rules to investigate the semantic content of word definitions in an online dictionary, in order to resolve syntactic ambiguity. ========================================================================= *Reimer, Stephen I am an assistant professor of English, using computers extensively both in research and in teaching. My introduction to computer use in the humanities came in the late 70s when I was beginning my dissertation and was faced with an authorship question in a set of medieval texts--I thought that the problem might be resolvable through quantitative stylistics with the help of the computer. Through John Hurd at the Univ. of Toronto, I learned the rudiments of programming in SNOBOL and learned much about concordancing algorithms; on this basis, I wrote a rather large and sloppy program to "read" any natural language text and to generate a substantial number of statistics. Producing the dissertation itself involved me with micro-computers and laser printers. And when I began teaching after graduation, I was involved in an experiment using Writers' Workbench as an aid in teaching composition. I have, this fall, moved from the U of T to the University of Alberta. Here I have been asked to act as something of a consultant for other English professors who are starting to make use of computers, and I have been assigned to a team with a mandate to establish a small computing centre to be shared by four humanities departments (English, Religious Studies, Philosophy and Classics). Finally, I am embarking on a long term project which is again concerned with authorship disputes: over the coming years I expect to consume huge numbers of cycles in an effort to sort out the tangled mess of the canon of John Lydgate. ========================================================================= *Salotti, Paul Oxford University Computing Service, 13, Banbury Road, OXFORD OX2 6NN U.K. Tel. 0865-273249 I work in the Oxford University Computing Service and provide support and consultancy for the application and use of databases (Ingres, IDMS, dBase etc) in academic research. ========================================================================= *Smith, Tony I have recently started work as research assistant to Gordon Neal in the Department of Greek at Manchester University. Our project has a number of aims. Ultimately we hope to program a computer to perform as far as possible the automatic syntactic parsing of Classical Greek. Texts with syntactic tagging (which in the early stages can be performed manually) can then be used for pedagogic purposes, by allowing a student on a computer to ask for help with the morphology and syntax of selected words and sentences. The tagged texts would also be very useful for research purposes, allowing various kinds of statistical analysis to be carried out. The texts will be drawn from the Thesaurus Linguae Graecae database on CD-ROM, which will be accessed by a network of IBM-compatibles. The system will also offer facilities for searching through the Greek texts similar to those found on the Ibycus Scholarly Computer. ========================================================================= *Tov, Emmanuel Prof. in the Dept of Bible, Hebrew University, Jerusalem, Israel, Tel. (02)883514 (o), 815714 (h). Together with R.A. Kraft of the U. of Penn. I am the director of the CATSS Project - computer assisted tools for Septuagint studies (for a description of the work, see CATSS volumes 1 and 2). ========================================================================= *Wolffe, John Temporary Lecturer in History, University of York, England. AT the moment my use of computers in my own research is confined largely to humble word-processing, but I have plans during the next academic year to develop some computer-based analysis of the 1851 England and Wales Census of Religious Worship. I am also very interested in wider questions about the use of computers in the humanities, especially as these relate to the development of coherent defense of the humanities in general and of history in particular in the face of the current political and social climate in the UK. ========================================================================= *Wyman, John C. Library Systems Office, Bird Library, Room B106F, Syracuse Univ. Syracuse, New York 13244-1260 USA, (315) 423-4300/2573 I am the Systems Officer for the Syracuse University Library, called Bird Library, and am in charge of all of our computer and system support for the library. This includes our on-line catalog (SULIRS); access to OCLC for shared bibliographic cataloging information; and our increasing use of microcomputers for staff support. Also I'm involved in our on-line access to remote data bases, such as Dialog or BRS, for our users and staff. Finally we have a growing effort of acquiring and providing access to collections of research data for people in the social sciences, called the Research Data System of the Libraries. My interests revolve around providing access to, and usage of computers for, non-computer type people. Even, and especially, at the expense of extra programming and systems effort. Too many computer systems today are hard for e for the casual user to use. My background is Electrical Engineering, Numerical Analysis, Computer User Service, Library User Service, with many systems designed and programmed by me or my staff. The human interface is the most important aspect of this work. ========================================================================= ========================================================================= Date: Tuesday, 13 October 1987 0941-EST Reply-To: KRAFT@PENNDRLN Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: KRAFT@PENNDRLN Subject: Computer Column for Humanist Newsletters I very much appreciate Michael Sperberg-McQueen's thoughtful response to the "syndicated column" suggestion. He asks for some further information, and notes that we are nearing the season for professional society meetings such as MLA (also AAR/SBL/ASOR, APA, and doubtless others). His response also points to the need to ask a supplementary question: how many professional society publications known to HUMANISTS already attempt to deal with computer-related matters in a systematic manner? (And how many don't?) How great is the need? Michael's listing of representative issues for such a column is largely similar to what I do in my own OFFLINE column, although I also try to give the "novice" leads on where to get good information for becoming a "competent non-beginner" -- that is, I really try not to scare "novices" away, but to lead them further into the subject by defining new computer jargon (e.g. most recently "hypertext" -- "authoring systems" in a future issue), alerting them to new software releases of special interest (e.g. micro-OCP), informing them of data availability (e.g. CCAT diskettes and CD-ROM, TLG, Oxford Archive), etc. I do not find the writing of the column overly onerous since I note in my own computer file new information and ideas as they come to my attention, and simply organize those materials when the next deadline rolls around. To broaden the coverage in a "syndicated" form would doubtless involve more work, but if there was a responsible board of editorial contributors, it MIGHT not be overly demanding. I am willing to be involved, but am not begging to be editor, if we decide to try the experiment. I am convinced of the value of this approach, based on 15 issues of OFFLINE and the responses that column has produced, and will continue the OFFLINE column if nothing supercedes it. Bob ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 87 11:48:59 EDT Reply-To: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Subject: uuxqt cmd (rmail uunet!enea!liuida!bio) status (signal 0, exit 67) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 87 14:50:00 EDT Reply-To: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Subject: uuxqt cmd (rmail uunet!enea!liuida!bio) status (signal 0, exit 67) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 87 15:51:51 EDT Reply-To: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Subject: uuxqt cmd (rmail uunet!enea!liuida!bio) status (signal 0, exit 67) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 87 17:52:24 EDT Reply-To: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Subject: uuxqt cmd (rmail uunet!enea!liuida!bio) status (signal 0, exit 67) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 87 18:22:40 EDT Reply-To: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Subject: uuxqt cmd (rmail uunet!enea!liuida!bio) status (signal 0, exit 67) ========================================================================= Date: 13 October 1987, 19:35:13 EDT Reply-To: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Subject: Line count John Law of Newcastle (U.K.), who receives HUMANIST through a redistribution list, suggests that our desultory practice of putting a line count at the end of messages is a good idea -- but upside down. He'd like to see such a count at the beginning, as he explains in the following. If it's at all possible, would you mind indicating in your subject line the approximate number of lines in the message that follows? Thanks very much. W.M. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- The reason I'd like the count at the beginning is a simple one (which we've used here for several years): if the message is going to be a long one I want to interrupt it right away and then read it later at my leisure (laughable term, in this business). The HUMANIST messages come in with all my other messages, from user queries to meeting announcements etc. I archive all the HUMANIST material for later study, but I like (as well) to read them as they appear on the screen: if they are not longer than, say, 50 lines. Yours, John Law (Documentation Officer, Computing Services, Secretary to Arts Advisory Group, and (once) an Arts Graduate.) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 87 19:21:19 EDT Reply-To: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Subject: uuxqt cmd (rmail uunet!enea!liuida!bio) status (signal 0, exit 67) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 87 19:56:19 EDT Reply-To: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Subject: uuxqt cmd (rmail uunet!enea!liuida!bio) status (signal 0, exit 67) ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 87 20:19:38 EDT Reply-To: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: UNIX-to-UNIX Copy Subject: uuxqt cmd (rmail uunet!enea!liuida!bio) status (signal 0, exit 67) ========================================================================= Date: 13 October 1987, 23:31:03 EDT Reply-To: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Subject: This time it's Swedish junk mail.... The recent (even, alas, ongoing) flood of junk mail was due to a Swedish HUMANIST's userid suddenly becoming illegal -- for whatever reason. I have removed the innocently offending person from the list, but it appears that the junk keeps coming. It will stop shortly. Hang on, my stalwart colleagues! Yours, W.M. ========================================================================= Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1987 08:19:55 LCL Reply-To: "Dana E. Cartwright 3rd" Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: "Dana E. Cartwright 3rd" I dislike doing things by hand which a computer can do as well, more easily, and often more accurately. The counting of lines in a message seems to fall into this category of activity. On all IBM computers running the VM/CMS operating system, incoming mail is summarized by sender, time, date, and number of lines. One reads it in whatever order strikes one's fancy. The issue of the order in which I read my mail is a matter which I should sort out on my end. I, for example, file my electronic mail into an extensive series of notebooks, by subject. I could ask all of you to include one or more subject keywords on each of your messages, to make my filing easier or more accurate. But, I think the assigning of keywords is something which *I* should do. I put line counts in the same category. ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 87 00:03 CDT Reply-To: CHURCHDM@VUCTRVAX Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: CHURCHDM@VUCTRVAX Subject: Optical Scanning of Texts -- Hard- and software We at Vanderbilt are about to submit a grant proposal for a major project involving scanning to put in machine-readable form a large body of texts almost all of which are in French. I have talked with VAR dealers about recent products from both Kurzweil and Palantir, and in both cases the dealers have told me that the machines (and the accompanying software) cannot handle the accented letters in French. From the entries I have seen in the lists of machine-readable text in HUMANIST, I find it hard to believe that somebody out there hasn't already solved this problem. Would you please send messages to me personally telling me what hardware and software solutions you have found to the problem of scanning texts with accented letters. I'll summarize the answers in a message to HUMANIST. Dan Church Vanderbilt University (CHURCHDM@VUCTRVAX) (This message contains 14 lines, including this one.) ========================================================================= Date: Thu, 15 Oct 87 13:11:10 MST Reply-To: Mark Olsen Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: Mark Olsen Subject: TEXTS? Before scanning in the following titles, I would like to know if they have been put on tape already: John Woolman (1720-1772) The Journal of .... Essays of ... Joyce, Finnegans Wake I am a little surprised that the latter does not exist in computer readable format. Woolman is an obscure Quaker writer, or I should say obscure to me. Any reference to an electronic copy would be greatly appreciated. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 87 19:29:33 BST Reply-To: CMI011@IBM.SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: CMI011@IBM.SOUTHAMPTON.AC.UK A colleague (as yet un-HUMANISTized) asks me about the DEREDEC system from Quebec. I know that a few places in Canada have it, and use it, but I have not properly taken on board their feelings about it (it is, for those who have not come across it, a large French grammer analysis system). I wonder if anyone would care to comment, either to me direct or (perhaps better) to Sean O'Cathasaigh himself (despite appearances, he is in the Department of French here!)= FRI001@uk.ac.soton.ibm, about - the state and/or usefulness of DEREDEC and its subsystems for serious research - the likely learning curve for the non-Lisp hacker - the usefulness of the package for undergraduate teaching. A general question arises, which concerns me for a number of reasons, about whether in general these large sophisticated systems can ever have an impact on undergraduate teaching as we know it. Is there place in a British 3 year degree for a *serious* look at grammar? I suppose it goes back to that issue about whether "IT" should/could affect the whole undergraduate career - if we use the computer's power to seriously look at grammar a) we need a better background in school, and b) we will have to drop something - what? it may interest HUMANISTs to know that this University offers a degree in Modern Languages with Computing. Students do a conventional language course, but largely leaving out the literature, do extra linguistics and philosophy, and do half a Computer Science degree. Are they better or worse off? sebastian rahtz. computer science, southampton, uk ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 19 Oct 87 23:54 EDT Reply-To: GUEST4@YUSOL Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: GUEST4@YUSOL Subject: Are Musicians Humanists Too? (testing the waters) From the Fall 1987 issue of IEEE Expert, p. 86: ====================================================================== Musical scoring on PCs ---------------------- After 16 years of work, according to the Stanford University News Service, Leland Smith has adapted his computer music printing system (called Score) for use with any IBM or compatible PC. Passport Designs Inc. (Half Moon Bay, CA) will distribute the program. A Stanford faculty member since 1958, Smith has also worked with computer-generated sound and has long-range visions of computer use in the music industry. "I want to be able to do almost anything you can think of with Score," he says. Users can add lyrics and graphics to their music easily with the system. "Music is a code system made up of symbols with conventional meanings," Smith says. His system contains a library of 200 musical symbols plus graphics (Mrs. Smith, an art instructor at Foothill College, has included an image library for illustrating children's music). Score can stretch symbols and notes, rotate them, move them to different lines, and transpose them with ease. Composers can zoom in for a closer focus on any section of a musical score. While Smith does not expect computer sound to replace musical instruments, he hopes to see computers involved in the electronic distribution of music, allowing quick transfer of musical scores worldwide. At present, he has to wait six months to receive music ordered from Vienna through an American distributor. In 10 years or so, he foresees every music library equipped with terminals at which students can view music on a screen, deposit coins, and recieve printed copies. The cost of computer music printing has declined since the days of its use on $50,000 computers. Desktop music publishing is now the province of users equipped with PCs, printers, and Score. The program will sell for $495. ========================================================================= Date: 20 October 1987, 20:09:50 EDT Reply-To: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Subject: Interesting software So far V E R Y F E W suggestions have reached me about interesting software as a result of the announcement on HUMANIST of the Humanities Computing Yearbook (Oxford U.P., vol. 1 forthcoming Summer 1988). By means of local sources, other grapevines, and esp. my knowledgeable co-editor, I've managed to identify nearly 100 items, a sufficient number, but I wouldn't want to overlook any worthy packages. So, if you know of software you consider worthwhile, please send a note to YEARBOOK@UTOREPAS.BITNET giving as much of the relevant information as you have. Include an electronic address if the author or vendor has one. However obvious the excellence of the software may be to you, don't assume that I've already listed it. Our field is still too disorganized for anyone to be able to claim comprehensive and systematic knowledge of its goings on, even if he or she works at it without sleep. I sleep. Thanks very much, in advance, for your help. Yours, W.M. _________________________________________________________________________ Dr. Willard McCarty / Centre for Computing in the Humanities University of Toronto / 14th floor, Robarts Library / 130 St. George St. Toronto, Canada M5S 1A5 / (416) 978-4238 / mccarty@utorepas.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: Thursday, 22 October 1987 0929-EST Reply-To: KRAFT@PENNDRLN Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: KRAFT@PENNDRLN Subject: Source Code for LIST or BROWSE I know of two very useful public domain programs for accessing text files on the IBM PC, LIST (which I use regularly) and BROWSE (which others have recommended), and would like to have the source code so that some features could be added. Does anyone know where the source code for LIST and/or BROWSE is available? Bob Kraft, CCAT ========================================================================= Date: 22 October 1987, 20:49:12 EDT Reply-To: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Subject: The first summary and its forthcoming sequel Those of you who are members of the ACH have likely seen the first summary of activities on HUMANIST (for the period June-July 1987) in print in the Newsletter. For those of you who aren't, the text of the article is exactly the same as the summary file sent to all of you. Some time ago I noticed that my file of contributions to HUMANIST was growing so rapidly that another bimonthly summary was inevitable. That summary is close to completion, so I'd appreciate any contributions to it, from those of you who have held interesting private discussions or received direct replies to questions and think these replies worth publishing. I may finish the summary by the end of this weekend, but perhaps not. If you have anything and anticipate sending it, please let me know directly right away. Yours, W.M. _________________________________________________________________________ Dr. Willard McCarty / Centre for Computing in the Humanities University of Toronto / 14th floor, Robarts Library / 130 St. George St. Toronto, Canada M5S 1A5 / (416) 978-4238 / mccarty@utorepas.bitnet ========================================================================= Date: 23 October 1987, 01:05:02 EDT Reply-To: Philippa MW Matheson 416 925-9931 Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: Philippa MW Matheson 416 925-9931 Subject: Copyright: translations on the net I've been following some of the debate on the copyright status of contibutions to HUMANIST, and gather that an informal practice obtains: if you *say* you don't want something re- published, then it doesn't go further than the original publication (i.e., its appearance in HUMANIST in the first place). Also a good deal has been said about whether contibutions to computer journals count as publications from the point of view of academic credit and/or whether hard copy publishers are willing to allow "their" books to appear on computer net. But the invitations to contribute to text archives that I've seen do not seem to say "Of course if you send us something you must be sure that you/we have the right to publish it." If I were to type out the published poems of a contemporary poet, still living, and contribute them to such an archive, and if the archive were then to send them on request to, let's say, a school teacher who printed them out in multiple copies for her/his class, surely someone has infringed copyright somewhere? Was it alright until it got into hardcopy? My reason for asking about this is that I have for some years been doing informal translations of archaeological articles (mostly to do with amphoras) from Russian books and journals for circulation among a very limited body of "amphoristes." Since they are usually things I, or members of the Amphora Project I work with in Greece, want to read, I don't attempt to exact a fee. But it seems to me the sort of thing which should be available to any interested scholar, and a Russian colleague is presently helping me a) to make the translations I've done more accurate, b) to do more, and c) to compile a bibliography of Soviet studies on "ceramic epigraphy" and amphora studies in general (which, of course, gets us into the odd excavation report, for dates and stratigraphy, and even into clay analysis studies of other objects, like roof-tiles; and we aren't above obliging with a curse tablet article, when requested). When enough material is available, I would like to offer the bibliography (which would list available "private" translations, on line or off) to other Humanists, and send on-line translations to anyone who asks. If I wanted to publish a volume of translations, I or the publishing firm would, I think, get permission from the original publishers: is electronic publication different? Or is it simply the lack of formal legislation covering the computer journals which makes me feel, as I confess I do, that I can simply go ahead (provided anyone wants the material, of course...). Perhaps there are parallels for this: if so, I'd be glad to hear about them, and any comments you may have on the legality of such a service (and/or its utility...). --------------------- __ __ [||] (416) amphoras Philippa MW Matheson [||] < > 925-9931 (work) at 43 McKenzie Avenue < > \/ 921-1774 (home) utorepas Toronto, Ont M4W 1K1 \/ ========================================================================= Date: 23 October 1987 09:14:49 CDT Reply-To: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster Sender: HUMANIST Discussion Comments: E: Mail origin cannot be determined. Comments: E: Original tag was FROM: U18189 at UICVM (Michael Sperberg-McQueen ) From: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster Subject: Copyright [This note has 62 lines beginning with this one.] First things first: first, all praise to Philippa MW Matheson and all generous souls everywhere who share the fruits of their keyboarding. So far, I have never found a way to get a formal legal opinion from (say) a university counsel, on the issue of the copyright status of a text keyboarded for personal use and distributed to friends or colleagues. If anyone out there has, please speak up. Surely one could argue that a text, even one in copyright, keyboarded for research purposes into a single computer and accessible only to the originator, would fall under the scope of 'fair use'. If I can make a single photocopy for personal use, why not a machine copy? Distribution to friends and colleagues might also be fair use -- I'd hate to have to prove in court that it wasn't. (Or that it was.) Distribution to all comers, it seems, would be much easier to class as 'publication' of the sort copyright law forbids. Of course, the presses can be much less generous in their interpretation. As well they might, when a machine-readable version can drive the typesetting of a pirated edition so easily. But perhaps they sometimes go a little too far. The editor of a critical edition of T______ wrote to the press, a few years ago, mentioning that a colleague at another school was interested in preparing a concordance of the new critical edition. Indeed, this colleague had already typed Vol. 1 in and concorded it, which demonstrated the seriousness and the technical feasibility of the request. Could copies of the typesetting tapes of the later volumes be made available to simplify preparation of the text -- and would the press be interested in publishing the concordance? Answer: a flat no, and an assertion that the concordance-maker was in violation of the press's copyright, even though the concordance made was for personal use and neither it nor the text had been distributed to anyone. Of course, in the case of Soviet materials there may be special considerations. There was a time when the USSR subscribed to the 'wrong' copyright convention and Soviet materials did not have much if any legal protection in the west (or vice versa). A few years ago there were stories about that being changed, the better to suppress Western republication of smuggled mss. But there may still be some special legal technicalities regarding Soviet materials. Some people tell me presses are more enlightened now -- and indeed many presses have given their consent to the scanning of copyright Dante commentaries for the Dartmouth Dante Project. Perhaps the rule is that everyone likes to be asked. It's not as though most scholarly presses expected to make a lot of money selling the rights to journal translations. So my advice in dealing with copyright materials would be: ask. (If they say no, what have you lost? You can always say 'Article X is unavailable for copyright reasons.') We should hammer and hammer at our publishers and ourselves and colleagues, though, until we achieve wide public acceptance of unhindered distribution of electronic texts for research purposes. No pirating, no intellectual theft, full documentation of the source of both the original and the electronic form -- get that accepted as the basic code of practice, and I think we'll be making progress. Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Univ. of Illinois at Chicago ========================================================================= Date: 24 October 1987, 22:25:53 EDT Reply-To: Norman Zacour 923 9483 Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: Norman Zacour 923 9483 The following has 32 lines. Subject: Copyright. I doubt very much that making a copy of someone else's work to be distributed to friends and colleagues can be defined as `fair use' either legally or morally. To duplicate a copyrighted work instead of buying it is to deny the author's rights; thinking otherwise is a measure of the anesthetizing effect of the Xerox machine on our moral sense. No one objects to having their scholarly works, say, used by others in their research - that's what they were produced for. That doesn't mean that they can be copied and handed about indiscriminately by someone else as though by right. Compensation, usually monetary, is not always so; an acknowledgement of permission, a return of favour, enhancement of prestige, or merely simple courtesy, all play a part in the outcome of what Sperberg-McQueen has characterized as `being asked' - but surely, the choice is the author's, not the copier's. I gather from Philippa Matheson that archives are not mere depositories, but in some instances act as publishers - at least, if making someone's work public is still called publishing. This is muddy ground: if you are going to deposit your work in a public archive, failing specific instructions about its disposition, there is a good argument that you are releasing it to the public ipso facto.The one thing we can be sure of is that this and other such problems won't be decided by humanist discussions, but rather in the courts, on the basis of legal precedents, which means the application of legal principles developed before electronic publishing was dreamed of. As for the rest, I do not think that Philippa Matheson has much of a problem. A lawyer specializing in copyright would probably know about international conventions touching on Russian publications, but five roubles will get you fifty that translations of Russian scholarly publications will require the formal permission of the publisher. On the other hand, the bibliography of such translations is all her own, to publish as she may wish. In doing so she might be revealing a slightly illegal operation, but if she wants to cast her bread upon the waters, who shall say her nay? May she have a rich return in mighty fishes. ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 26 Oct 87 13:29 PST Reply-To: IMD7VAW@UCLAMVS Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: IMD7VAW@UCLAMVS Subject: ACH newsletter Date: Mon, 26 Oct 87 13:28 PST To: IMD7VAW From: Postman Subject: Undelivered mail Your mail was not delivered to some or all of its intended recipients for the following reason(s): 5001 mailbox invalid -> HUMANIST ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Oct 87 13:28 PST To: HUMANIST From: IMD7VAW Subject: ACH Newsletter ACH members, Due to an unfortunate error at the printers, some of the recent ACH Newsletters are missing pages. Let me know if you would like a new copy. Sorry for the inconvenience, but it did show that some people do read it, which I'm glad to hear. Vicky Walsh = IMD7VAW@UCLAMVS ========================================================================= Date: 27 October 1987, 11:18:35 EST Reply-To: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: MCCARTY@UTOREPAS The following somehow arrived in our postmaster's mailbox instead of HUMANIST's. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Oct 87 9:53:46 EDT From: Hugh Kenner To: Undetermined origin c/o Postmaster Subject: Re: Copyright Message-ID: <8710240953.aa17123@VGR.BRL.ARPA> On the other hand, there is the advice I once received from the legal eagle at a friendly publisher's: If you are confident that what you are doing is Fair Use, then do NOT ask. Asking concedes the other party's right to refuse. The likelihood of your being dragged to court over, e.g., the keyboarding incident to making a concordance is vanishingly small. The likelihood of anyone's winning such a case against you is even smaller. --Hugh Kenner. ========================================================================= Date: Tue, 27 Oct 87 11:17 CDT Reply-To: CHURCHDM@VUCTRVAX Sender: HUMANIST Discussion From: CHURCHDM@VUCTRVAX Subject: SCANNING FOREIGN LANGUAGE TEXTS - Hard- and software Here is a summary of the responses I received in answer to my question about hard- and software for scanning text in foreign languages. Many thanks to all who replied. The new Kurzweil "desktop" scanner and the Palantir both use "smart" software to figure out problematic characters in a logical fashion (for English) . This procedure makes these machines read faster and more accurately, but it also makes it impossible for them to handle foreign languages, especially those with accented letters or non-Roman alphabets. Kurzweil has promised new software in the near future that will enable the desktop scanner to handle French. Other foreign languages are down the road a bit, but this solution is not ideal becaus e it means switching software each time one switches languages and will not accommodate mixtures of languages. The old Kurzweil scanners (e.g., Model 3) and the relatively new Model 4000 do not use the same type of software for recognition; instead they use a "training mode" that allows the user to tell the machine what the problematic characters are. It does that by scanning some text and then prompting the operator to enter characters (or combinations of up to three characters) for the unrecognized ones. While that approach may make the processing somewhat slower, it does allow for "training" the machine to recognize accented and even non-Roman characters. recognize accented and even non-Roman characters. ========================================================================= Date: 27 October 198