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From:     "Steve Younker (Postmaster)" <POSTMSTR@CA.UTORONTO.UTCS.VM>
To:       archive@UK.AC.OXFORD.VAX

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Date:         12 May 1987, 23:50:02 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
This is test number 1. Please acknowledge.
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Date:         13 May 1987, 00:06:41 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
This is test number 2. Please acknowledge.
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Date:         13 May 1987, 23:08:57 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
This is a test of a new BITNET mailer for people involved with the
support of computing in the humanities. Please acknowledge receipt of
this message. A more complete explanation and welcoming message will be
forthcoming.
Thanks very much.
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Date:         14 May 1987, 16:05:17 EDT
Reply-To:     IAN@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         IAN@UTOREPAS
 
Message received.
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Date:         14 May 1987, 20:17:18 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
                        Welcome to HUMANIST
 
HUMANIST is a Bitnet/NetNorth electronic mail network for people
who support computing in the humanities. Those who teach, review
software, answer questions, give advice, program, write
documentation, or otherwise support research and teaching in this
area are included. Although HUMANIST is intended to help these
people exchange all kinds of information, it is primarily meant
for discussion rather than publication or advertisement.
 
In general, members of the network are encouraged to ask
questions and offer answers, to begin and contribute to
discussions, to suggest problems for research, and so forth. One
of the specific motivations for establishing HUMANIST was to
allow people involved in this area to form a common idea of the
nature of their work, its requirements, and its standards.
Institutional recognition is not infrequently inadequate, at
least partly because computing in the humanities is an emerging
and highly cross-disciplinary field. Its support is significantly
different from the support of other kinds of computing, with
which it may be confused. Perhaps you don't think so. In any
case, let us know what you do think, about this or any other
relevant subject.
 
HUMANIST is one of the inaugural projects of a new special
interest group for the support of computing in the humanities,
which is currently applying for joint affiliation with the
Association for Computing in the Humanities (ACH) and the
Association for Literary and Linguistic Computing (ALLC).
Information about this SIG may be obtained by sending a message
to George Brett (ECSGHB@TUCC.BITNET).
 
Currently anyone given access to HUMANIST can send mail to all
other members of the network without restriction. It is expected
that the members will at least be civil to each other, however
spirited the argument!
 
New members are welcome, provided that they fit the broad
guidelines described above. Please tell anyone who might be
interested to send a note to me, giving his or her name, address,
telephone number, university affiliation, and a short description
of what he or she does to support computing in the humanities. I
will then add that person to the list. If anyone should wish to
be dropped from the list, please send a note to that effect.
 
Willard McCarty
Centre for Computing in the Humanities
University of Toronto
(MCCARTY@UTOREPAS.BITNET)
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Date:         Thu, 14 May 87 15:38:51 EDT
Reply-To:     uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
 
remote execution        [uucp job princetA0676 (5/14-15:38:47)]
        rmail dartvax!psc90.dartvax!jdg
exited with status 67
 
 
        ===== stdin was =====
From utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST  Thu May 14 15:32:09
+ 1987 remote from princeton
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Date:         13 May 1987, 23:08:57 EDT
Reply-To: princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!MCCARTY
Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!MCCARTY
To: Joel Goldfield <jdg@psc90.dartvax.utoronto>
 
This is a test of a new BITNET mailer for people involved with the
support of computing in the humanities. Please acknowledge receipt of
this message. A more complete explanation and welcoming message will be
forthcoming.
Thanks very much.
 
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Date:         Thu, 14 May 87 22:19:26 EDT
Reply-To:     uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
 
remote execution        [uucp job dartvaxN4cf7 (5/14-22:19:19)]
        rmail psc90.dartvax!jdg
exited with status 67
 
 
        ===== stdin was =====
>From pruxa!princeton!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST  Thu
+ May 14 19:10:21 1987 remote from ihnp4
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Date:         14 May 1987, 16:05:17 EDT
Reply-To: princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!IAN
Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: ihnp4!princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!IAN
To: Joel Goldfield <psc90.dartvax.utoronto!jdg>
 
Message received.
 
 
 
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Date:         Thu, 14 May 87 22:19:55 EDT
Reply-To:     uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
 
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        rmail psc90.dartvax!jdg
exited with status 67
 
 
        ===== stdin was =====
>From pruxa!princeton!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST  Thu
+ May 14 21:12:27 1987 remote from ihnp4
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Date:         14 May 1987, 20:17:18 EDT
Reply-To: princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!MCCARTY
Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: ihnp4!princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!MCCARTY
To: Joel Goldfield <psc90.dartvax.utoronto!jdg>
 
                        Welcome to HUMANIST
 
HUMANIST is a Bitnet/NetNorth electronic mail network for people
who support computing in the humanities. Those who teach, review
software, answer questions, give advice, program, write
documentation, or otherwise support research and teaching in this
area are included. Although HUMANIST is intended to help these
people exchange all kinds of information, it is primarily meant
for discussion rather than publication or advertisement.
 
In general, members of the network are encouraged to ask
questions and offer answers, to begin and contribute to
discussions, to suggest problems for research, and so forth. One
of the specific motivations for establishing HUMANIST was to
allow people involved in this area to form a common idea of the
nature of their work, its requirements, and its standards.
Institutional recognition is not infrequently inadequate, at
least partly because computing in the humanities is an emerging
and highly cross-disciplinary field. Its support is significantly
different from the support of other kinds of computing, with
which it may be confused. Perhaps you don't think so. In any
case, let us know what you do think, about this or any other
relevant subject.
 
HUMANIST is one of the inaugural projects of a new special
interest group for the support of computing in the humanities,
which is currently applying for joint affiliation with the
Association for Computing in the Humanities (ACH) and the
Association for Literary and Linguistic Computing (ALLC).
Information about this SIG may be obtained by sending a message
to George Brett (ECSGHB@TUCC.BITNET).
 
Currently anyone given access to HUMANIST can send mail to all
other members of the network without restriction. It is expected
that the members will at least be civil to each other, however
spirited the argument!
 
New members are welcome, provided that they fit the broad
guidelines described above. Please tell anyone who might be
interested to send a note to me, giving his or her name, address,
telephone number, university affiliation, and a short description
of what he or she does to support computing in the humanities. I
will then add that person to the list. If anyone should wish to
be dropped from the list, please send a note to that effect.
 
Willard McCarty
Centre for Computing in the Humanities
University of Toronto
(MCCARTY@UTOREPAS.BITNET)
 
 
 
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Date:         Fri, 15 May 87 04:17:44 EDT
Reply-To:     uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
 
remote execution        [uucp job dartvaxN4cfb (5/15-4:17:40)]
        rmail psc90.dartvax!jdg
exited with status 67
 
 
        ===== stdin was =====
>From pruxa!princeton!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST  Fri
+ May 15 03:12:34 1987 remote from ihnp4
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Date:         Thu, 14 May 87 15:38:51 EDT
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Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: uucp administrator <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!dartvax!UUCP>
To: Joel Goldfield <psc90.dartvax.utoronto!jdg>
 
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        rmail dartvax!psc90.dartvax!jdg
exited with status 67
 
 
        ===== stdin was =====
>From utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST  Thu May 14 15:32:09
+ 1987 remote from princeton
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        id AA07241; Thu, 14 May 87 14:40:13 EDT
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Date:         13 May 1987, 23:08:57 EDT
Reply-To: princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!MCCARTY
Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!MCCARTY
To: Joel Goldfield <jdg@psc90.dartvax.utoronto>
 
This is a test of a new BITNET mailer for people involved with the
support of computing in the humanities. Please acknowledge receipt of
this message. A more complete explanation and welcoming message will be
forthcoming.
Thanks very much.
 
 
 
 
=========================================================================
Date:         15 May 1987, 11:15:21 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
My apologies for a recent flood of junk mail relating to a bad address
for one of our members. Please bear with me while I figure out the
arcane manners and methods of this very promising tool.
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Date:         Fri, 15 May 87 11:54:40 EDT
Reply-To:     uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
 
remote execution        [uucp job dartvaxN4d02 (5/15-11:54:37)]
        rmail psc90.dartvax!jdg
exited with status 67
 
 
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>From pruxa!princeton!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST  Fri
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Date:         Thu, 14 May 87 22:19:26 EDT
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Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: uucp administrator <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!dartvax!UUCP>
To: Joel Goldfield <psc90.dartvax.utoronto!jdg>
 
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>From pruxa!princeton!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST  Thu
+ May 14 19:10:21 1987 remote from ihnp4
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Date:         14 May 1987, 16:05:17 EDT
Reply-To: princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!IAN
Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: ihnp4!princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!IAN
To: Joel Goldfield <psc90.dartvax.utoronto!jdg>
 
Message received.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Date:         Fri, 15 May 87 11:55:03 EDT
Reply-To:     uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
 
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        rmail psc90.dartvax!jdg
exited with status 67
 
 
        ===== stdin was =====
>From pruxa!princeton!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST  Fri
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Date:         Thu, 14 May 87 22:19:55 EDT
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Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: uucp administrator <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!dartvax!UUCP>
To: Joel Goldfield <psc90.dartvax.utoronto!jdg>
 
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>From pruxa!princeton!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST  Thu
+ May 14 21:12:27 1987 remote from ihnp4
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Date:         14 May 1987, 20:17:18 EDT
Reply-To: princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!MCCARTY
Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: ihnp4!princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!MCCARTY
To: Joel Goldfield <psc90.dartvax.utoronto!jdg>
 
                        Welcome to HUMANIST
 
HUMANIST is a Bitnet/NetNorth electronic mail network for people
who support computing in the humanities. Those who teach, review
software, answer questions, give advice, program, write
documentation, or otherwise support research and teaching in this
area are included. Although HUMANIST is intended to help these
people exchange all kinds of information, it is primarily meant
for discussion rather than publication or advertisement.
 
In general, members of the network are encouraged to ask
questions and offer answers, to begin and contribute to
discussions, to suggest problems for research, and so forth. One
of the specific motivations for establishing HUMANIST was to
allow people involved in this area to form a common idea of the
nature of their work, its requirements, and its standards.
Institutional recognition is not infrequently inadequate, at
least partly because computing in the humanities is an emerging
and highly cross-disciplinary field. Its support is significantly
different from the support of other kinds of computing, with
which it may be confused. Perhaps you don't think so. In any
case, let us know what you do think, about this or any other
relevant subject.
 
HUMANIST is one of the inaugural projects of a new special
interest group for the support of computing in the humanities,
which is currently applying for joint affiliation with the
Association for Computing in the Humanities (ACH) and the
Association for Literary and Linguistic Computing (ALLC).
Information about this SIG may be obtained by sending a message
to George Brett (ECSGHB@TUCC.BITNET).
 
Currently anyone given access to HUMANIST can send mail to all
other members of the network without restriction. It is expected
that the members will at least be civil to each other, however
spirited the argument!
 
New members are welcome, provided that they fit the broad
guidelines described above. Please tell anyone who might be
interested to send a note to me, giving his or her name, address,
telephone number, university affiliation, and a short description
of what he or she does to support computing in the humanities. I
will then add that person to the list. If anyone should wish to
be dropped from the list, please send a note to that effect.
 
Willard McCarty
Centre for Computing in the Humanities
University of Toronto
(MCCARTY@UTOREPAS.BITNET)
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Date:         Fri, 15 May 87 11:55:24 EDT
Reply-To:     uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         uucp administrator <UUCP@DARTVAX.UUCP>
 
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        rmail psc90.dartvax!jdg
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>From pruxa!princeton!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST  Fri
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Date:         Fri, 15 May 87 04:17:44 EDT
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Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: uucp administrator <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!dartvax!UUCP>
To: Joel Goldfield <psc90.dartvax.utoronto!jdg>
 
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        rmail psc90.dartvax!jdg
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>From pruxa!princeton!utai!gpu.utcs.toronto.edu!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST  Fri
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Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: uucp administrator <ihnp4!princeton!seismo!dartvax!UUCP>
To: Joel Goldfield <psc90.dartvax.utoronto!jdg>
 
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        rmail dartvax!psc90.dartvax!jdg
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Date:         13 May 1987, 23:08:57 EDT
Reply-To: princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!MCCARTY
Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: princeton!utorepas.bitnet.UUCP!MCCARTY
To: Joel Goldfield <jdg@psc90.dartvax.utoronto>
 
This is a test of a new BITNET mailer for people involved with the
support of computing in the humanities. Please acknowledge receipt of
this message. A more complete explanation and welcoming message will be
forthcoming.
Thanks very much.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Date:         Friday, 15 May 1987 1536-EST
Reply-To:     JACKA@PENNDRLS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         JACKA@PENNDRLS
 
Query- Is this a LSERVER?  If so,  take a look at how
Knut Hofland has set up his Bulletin Board....JACK
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Date:         18 May 1987, 20:09:38 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
For those of you who happen to know less than I do about the Bitnet
facility that runs HUMANIST, I have just sent out a lengthy memo by Eric
Thomas on the "revised List Processor," or ListServ. The memo lists
commands available to you. Please note the section entitled, "How can I
send commands to LISTSERV?" If you're as ignorant about these things as
I was a few days ago, you'll need the help of some local expert.
HUMANIST has, I'm happy to say, reached addresses on ARPA-net, uucp, and
JANET (in the UK). It remains to be seen whether messages sent to
HUMANIST from these networks will be successfully redistributed. I'll be
asking one person from each to send a test message. This will mean,
alas, more junk-mail, which I hope you will excuse.
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Date:         Mon, 18 May 87  09:51 EDT
Reply-To:     SUE ZAYAC <SLZUS@CUVMA>
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
Comments: cc: US.BEA@CU20B
From:         SUE ZAYAC <SLZUS@CUVMA>
Subject:      Scholarly Information Journal
 
 
Hello:
 
I've just sent a complimentary copy of the Columbia University
"Scholarly Information Center Journal" to all of you whose names I
had from the original meeting of the Ad Hoc SIC for Support Issues
at USC in April.   The SIC journal is published quarterly by the
Columbia University Libraries and the Center for  Computing
Activities and features articles aimed at informing the scholarly
community of available information resources and current trends
in information technology.  We are particularly trying to slant
this towards the humanists, not the EE and CS people.
 
If your name has been added to this mailing list since and you
would like a complimentary copy of this journal send me mail,
either here or to sue@cunixc.columbia.edu (for you unix buffs).
 
The editor, Bea Hamblett has just pointed out to me that, although
subscriptions are free to the Columbia community, there is a $10
subscription fee for others.  The issue I sent you neglects to
include this informaiton.  If you would like to subscribe, send
your money, name and address to:
 
                Bea Hamblett
                Editor, SIC Journal
                Academic Information Services Group
                Columbia University
                612 West 115th Street
                New York, N.Y.  10025
 
Bea will also entertain suggestions for articles.  If you have
an idea of something you would like to contribute, send mail
with your proposal (not the full article) to Bea at
 
                us.bea@cu20b.columbia.edu
 
(P.S.  Do not send jokes about the name of the journal.  We've
       already heard them all.)
 
 
                              Susan Zayac
                              SLZUS
                              280-3724
 
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Date:         16 May 1987, 18:35:10 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
The recent flood of junk mail you have received was due to what is
called a "mailer loop," which is something like an echo that continually
increases in volume. This loop began when a message was sent by HUMANIST
to Joel Goldfield using a bad address (mea cupla!) and incorrectly
returned by network software to HUMANIST, which then dutifully sent it
out as a regular message to all members of the list, including Joel at
his bad address.... Fortunately for us all, the alert network wizards at
our Computing Services pounced on the echo and silenced it.
These things happen, I'm told. My apologies.
Next week I will be sending out information on the ListServ mailer that
should allow you to do various things with it. As for now, you can enter
the fray simply by sending a note to HUMANIST at UTORONTO.BITNET.
Yours, W.M.
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Date:         Wednesday, 20 May 1987 1520-EST
Reply-To:     JACKA@PENNDRLS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         JACKA@PENNDRLS
 
If anyone out there would like to receive the Online Notes
from the Center for Computer Analysis of Texts, please
let me know electronically and I will add your name to the
mailing list.
 
Thank you.
 
              JACK ABERCROMBIE
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Date:         20-MAY-1987 18:09:05
Reply-To:     LOU%UK.AC.OXFORD.VAX1@AC.UK
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         LOU%UK.AC.OXFORD.VAX1@AC.UK
Subject:      test missage
 
Here comes a copy of the test message I am about to send to
HUMANIST at UTORONTO, cc: MCCARTY at UTOREPAS, so that you can see if
messages from JANET are properly redistributed
 
HONK
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
BEEP!
 
 
 
 
[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A[A
[10L
[B[B[B
[5m FLASH!!!![m  [4h                  VT100s can be really [4l
 
 
[But the last bit wont make much sense except on a VT100]
 
L
 
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Date:         20 May 1987, 08:29:50 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
Our local network expert advises me that it would be much better for
members of HUMANIST to request the document I said I was sending you
(and didn't!) from the ListServ node nearest you. There is a real danger
of burdening the network, apparently. The following list of locations
may help.
==========================================================================
UTORONTO - here
CANADA01 - U of Guelph
DEARN    - Germany
FRECP11  - France
TAMVM1   - Tulane
UGA      - U of Georgia
UIUCVMD  - U of Illinois
SUVM     - Syracuse U
HEARN    - Holland
BITNIC   - Bitnet Network Center, NYC
OREGON1  - Oregon
IRISHVM1 - Ireland
=========================================================================
So, for example, if you're at Rochester, you don't want to ask UTORONTO's
listserv to send information, since SUVM is much closer.
So, you will likely want to ask your local expert to help you identify
the nearest node, if it's not obvious from the above list (which is
incomplete), and to figure out what commands are necessary in your
system, for example, to get a copy of LISTSERV MEMO, which describes
ListServ and its commands, and to get an up-to-date listing of the
members of HUMANIST -- which is growing every day.
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Date:         Tue, 19 May 87 21:15:37 EDT
Reply-To:     ENGHUNT@UOGUELPH
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         ENGHUNT@UOGUELPH
 
Willard;
 
Thanks for all your efforts in this endeavour:  they are bound to bear fruit
in due course.
 
Keep up the good work.
 
Stuart
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Date:         19 May 1987, 16:10:23 EDT
Reply-To:     Dr Abigail Ann Young      1-416-585-4504 <YOUNG@UTOREPAS>
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         Dr Abigail Ann Young      1-416-585-4504 <YOUNG@UTOREPAS>
 
This is a general plea.  I realise that many people on this list will
not have a great interest in computer-drawn maps, but if you
know of anyone who does, or if you know of another list where such a
person might see this note, please pass it on!!  I have already posted
this plea on the ENGLISH discussion started by Marshall Gilliland at
UofSaskatchewan, and on CSNEWS at MAINE, so my apologies to anyone who
has already seen it, and especially to those who have sent replies!
 
Thank you,
 
Abigail Young
 
Subject: computer generated maps of the British Isles
 
 
The Records of Early English Drama project here at Toronto, of which
I am a part, are engaged in collecting, editing, and publishing any
documents which offer external evidence for the production and
performance of drama, music, folk drama, or semi-dramatic folk activities
in the British Isles before 1642, when most such activities were banned
by the Puritan Commonwealth.  As an offshoot of this, we are eager to
use this data, much of it previously unknown, to generate maps of late
medieval and renaissance England to show the distribution
of various dramatic or folk activities, and the touring routes
of professional companies or actors and musicians during the period.
Is there anyone out there who is interested in, or has experience with,
this kind of mapping?  At the moment, we are experimenting with a
micro-based map-making package, MapMaster, but are still interested in
finding out about other possibilities, especially those which are
mainframe-based.  I would be very glad to hear from anyone who has such
interests, or who could put me in touch with others who might be.
Thank you!!
 
Abigail Ann Young  (YOUNG@UTOREPAS)
Records of Early English Drama
85 Charles Street West
Victoria College
University of Toronto
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Date:         Tue, 19 May 87  16:00 EDT
Reply-To:     RSTHC@CUNYVM
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         RSTHC@CUNYVM
In-Reply-To:  HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO> -- 13 May 1987,
              23:08:57 EDT
 
I have received your BITNET mail (obviously).  This is the reply you
requested.        RST
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Date:         Thu, 21 May 87  13:01 EDT
Reply-To:     JMBHC@CUNYVM
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         JMBHC@CUNYVM
In-Reply-To:  HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO> -- Wednesday,
              20 May 1987 1520-EST
 
Yes, could I would like to receive your On Line Notes.  My mailing address
s:
        Joanne M. Badagliacco
        Director, Academic Computing Services
        Hunter College, CUNY
        695 Park Avenue
        New York, NY  10021
 
 Thanks very much.
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Date:         Thu, 21 May 87  13:41 EDT
Reply-To:     JMBHC@CUNYVM
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         JMBHC@CUNYVM
In-Reply-To:  HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO> -- 19 May 1987,
              16:10:23 EDT
 
You might contact Dr. Keith Clark, Department of Geology & Geography, Hunter
College, BITNET address:  KCCHC@CUNYVM.   This is his very area of expertise.
 
Joanne Badagliacco
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Date:         21 May 1987, 20:17:53 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
Two HUMANISTs today have suggested to me that we need to have some
understanding about what gets sent to everyone and what gets sent to
individuals. Let me offer this rule: that specific answers to open
queries should be sent directly to the questioner and NOT to everyone --
unless, that is, the answer is a particularly interesting one. The
suggestion I got really points to the necessity for self-regulation so
that we don't bury each other in junk mail. I'm particularly sensitive
to this issue, since I indirectly managed to bury everyone in dartvax
chatter last week.
Any guidelines for the running or using of HUMANIST would be of interest
to us all, I'm sure. Perhaps this could be a useful discussion.
I'd very much appreciate comments on my new WELCOME MESSAGE and my first
attempt at a user's guide to HUMANIST. These will be coming along
shortly.
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Date:         21 May 1987, 20:32:37 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
                        Welcome to HUMANIST
 
HUMANIST is a Bitnet/NetNorth/EARN electronic discussion group
for people who support computing in the humanities. Those who
teach, review software, answer questions, give advice, program,
write documentation, or otherwise support research and teaching
in this area are included. Although HUMANIST is intended to help
these people exchange all kinds of information, it is primarily
meant for discussion rather than publication or advertisement.
 
In general, members of the network are encouraged to ask
questions and offer answers, to begin and contribute to
discussions, to suggest problems for research, and so forth. One
of the specific motivations for establishing HUMANIST was to
allow people involved in this area to form a common idea of the
nature of their work, its requirements, and its standards.
Institutional recognition is not infrequently inadequate, at
least partly because computing in the humanities is an emerging
and highly cross-disciplinary field. Its support is significantly
different from the support of other kinds of computing, with
which it may be confused. Perhaps you don't think so. In any
case, let us know what you do think, about this or any other
relevant subject.
 
HUMANIST is one of the inaugural projects of a new special
interest group for the support of computing in the humanities,
which is currently applying for joint affiliation with the
Association for Computing in the Humanities (ACH) and the
Association for Literary and Linguistic Computing (ALLC).
Information about this SIG may be obtained by sending a message
to George Brett (ECSGHB@TUCC.BITNET).
 
New members are welcome, provided that they fit the broad
guidelines described above. Please tell anyone who might be
interested to send a note to me, giving his or her name, address,
telephone number, university affiliation, and a short description
of what he or she does to support computing in the humanities. I
will then add that person to the list. If anyone should wish to
be dropped from the list, please send a note to that effect.
 
Willard McCarty
Centre for Computing in the Humanities
University of Toronto
(MCCARTY@UTOREPAS.BITNET)
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Date:         21 May 1987, 20:33:03 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
                     How to Use HUMANIST
 
Currently anyone given access to HUMANIST can communicate with
all other members without restriction. A member need not be on
Bitnet but can use any comparable network with access to Bitnet.
Thus, to send mail to everyone simultaneously, use whatever
command your system provides (e.g., NOTE or MAIL) addressed to
HUMANIST at UTORONTO. Your message is then sent by your local
software to the UTORONTO node of Bitnet, where the "Revised List
Processor" (or ListServ) automatically redirects it to everyone
currently on the list of members.
 
Restricted conversations or asides can, of course, develop from
the unrestricted discussions on HUMANIST by members communicating
directly with each other. This is particularly recommended for
replies to general queries, so that HUMANIST and its members are
not burdened with messages of interest only to the person who
asked the question. If, for example, one of us asks the rest
about the availability of software for keeping notes in
Devanagari, suggestions should be sent directly to the
questioner's e-mail address, not to HUMANIST.
 
Please use your judgment about what the whole group should
receive. We could easily overwhelm each other and so defeat the
purpose of HUMANIST. Draconian methods are available for
controlling a discussion group, but self-control seems
preferable. This is not to discourage controversy -- quite the
contrary -- but only what could become tiresome junk-mail.
 
New members will be interested to know that ListServ at UTORONTO
maintains an archive of messages for the past month. If you have
just joined and want to know the recent history of discussions,
enter the following command (or its equivalent on non-VM/CMS
systems):
          TELL LISTSERV AT UTORONTO GET HUMANIST LOG8705
ListServ will then send you the contents of the monthly archive.
 
ListServ accepts several other commands, for example to retrieve
a list of the current members or to set various options. These
are described in a document named LISTSERV MEMO. This and other
documentation is available to you from your nearest ListServ node
and is best fetched from there, since in that way the network is
least burdened. You should consult with your local experts to
discover the nearest ListServ; they will also be able to help you
with whatever problems in the use of ListServ you may encounter.
 
Once you have found the nearest node, type the following:
          TELL LISTSERV AT XXXXXX INFO ?
The various documents available to you will then be listed.
 
Suggestions about the running of HUMANIST or its possible
relation to other means of electronic communication are very
welcome. Please let me know what you think about these matters
directly, at the address given below.
 
Willard McCarty
Centre for Computing in the Humanities
University of Toronto
(MCCARTY@UTOREPAS.BITNET)
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Date:         Thu, 21 May 87 20:32:49 EDT
Reply-To:     POSTMASTER@IHNP4.UUCP
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
Comments: To: HUMANIST@UTORONTO.BITNET
From:         POSTMASTER@IHNP4.UUCP
Subject:      Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1
 
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Date:         Thu, 21 May 87  13:01 EDT
Reply-To: princeton!cunyvm.bitnet.UUCP!JMBHC
Sender: HUMANIST Discussion <princeton!seismo!utoronto.bitnet!HUMANIST>
From: princeton!cunyvm.bitnet.UUCP!JMBHC
To: Joel Goldfield <psc90!jdg>
In-Reply-To:  HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO> -- Wednesday,
              20 May 1987 1520-EST
 
 
Yes, could I would like to receive your On Line Notes.  My mailing address
s:
        Joanne M. Badagliacco
        Director, Academic Computing Services
        Hunter College, CUNY
        695 Park Avenue
        New York, NY  10021
 
 Thanks very much.
 
 
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Date:         Thu, 21 May 87 23:59:13 GMT
Reply-To:     CMI011%UK.AC.SOTON.IBM@AC.UK
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         CMI011%UK.AC.SOTON.IBM@AC.UK
 
 
Is this the correct way to send stuff to HUMANIST? If so, can I make
three suggestions as to the service, and add one genuine contribution.
 
 a) Those of us outside the IBM world are pretty much in the dark about
    what LISTSERV is.... (at least, I assume its IBMese 'cos it looks
    like nasty VM/CMS type commands). Could you, for the ignorant, explain
    what its all about?
 
b) when I logged in tonight, I got 8 messages from HUMANIST which took a while
to read and digest. And the thing has hardly started! Would not a weekly
digest be more appropriate, such as other SIGs use? Otherwise I shall
spend all my life reading mail!
  on the same tack, are copies of each of these messages really being
sent individually across the Atlantic to readers in the UK? That seems
pretty wasteful - could not someone in each country do a redistribution?
 
c) would someone care to define an etiquette for contributions to this
list? eg what is the maximum length a contribution should be? I ask
because I am about to write a report on my last year's teaching of
computing arts courses, which I would consider of vague interest to
readers. If its 20 pages, I guess its too long, and obviously 1 page
is fine - what about 6 pages? 8? How much are people prepared to read
on  a naasty orange VDU or whatever you have in front of you?
 
d) Heres my real question, which I asked on the English HUMBUL bulletin
board last year, and got no answers to. Do any of you out there teach
Prolog in introductory courses to Arts students? if so, what do you
set in the way of assignments? I need exercises for my students!
 
sebastian rahtz
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Date:         Sat, 23 May 87 13:26:00 EDT
Reply-To:     "DD ROBERTS (PHILOSOPHY)" <DDROB@WATDCS>
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
Comments:     Warning -- RSCS tag indicates an origin of DCSMAIL@WATDCS
From:         "DD ROBERTS (PHILOSOPHY)" <DDROB@WATDCS>
 
In September I will be teaching a course in which material stored on
the computer will be used as a textbook.
The material is previously unpublished manuscripts of a philosopher.
This is the first time I have tried anything like this, and I wonder
if anyone would be willing to give me a few hints as to how best I might
organize things like:  access to the material, format of the material,
and so on.  Thanks.
 
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Date:         Sat, 23 May 87 17:22:36 edt
Reply-To:     Leslie Burkholder <LB0Q#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
Comments: To: HUMANIST@UTORONTO.BITNET, DDROB@WATDCS.BITNET
From:         Leslie Burkholder <LB0Q#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Subject:      Reading on-line
 
 
You should probably print-out the material rather than have your students
read it on-line.
Some research (here, by Chris Haas) shows that reading for content is as good
as reading from paper only when the screen is a black-on-white one with about
1000*1000 pixels. (These screens are found on Suns, eg.) Performance
decreases when something like an IBM-PC screen is all that's available. In
addition, there are problems in easily conducting searches in the text
on-line (eg, Where did the author say something about that before?, What was
the main point of this section supposed to be?)
 
Leslie Burkholder
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Date:         Sun, 24 May 87 18:06:23 edt
Reply-To:     Leslie Burkholder <LB0Q#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
Comments: To: HUMANIST@UTORONTO.BITNET
Comments: cc: CMI011%UK.AC.SOTON.IBM@AC.UK
From:         Leslie Burkholder <LB0Q#@ANDREW.CMU.EDU>
Subject:      Prolog exercises for arts students
 
How about the following?  (1) Logic puzzles (the sort of thing found in many
collections). These have the advantage of showing that Prolog programming is
not pure logic programming.
(2) A program that writes poetry (especially, haikus). An ELIZA program.  (3)
A parser for a fragment of English using Prolog definite clause grammars.
(4) History databases and retrieval. Lots of stuff by people in various ways
attached to the LCA micro-Prolog group at Imperial College (eg Richard
Ennals). There are quite a few intros to Prolog written by people in this
group but they are aimed, it seems, at primary and secondary rather than
college students.
(5) A spelling and grammar checker. (Distinguish "their" and "there").  (6)
Something to play tic-tac-toe (noughts and crosses).  (7) Various kinds of
search problems (the farmer, the fox, the goose, and the grain; the waterjug
problem).
(I teach a logic and Prolog course to arts students.)
 
Leslie Burkholder
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Date:         25 May 1987, 00:13:40 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
Members of HUMANIST continue to suggest to me that the flow of messages
should be regulated by an editor, who would decide what should and
should not be sent to the membership at large. I stubbornly continue to
think that all members should be editors. So, I wonder, what do you
want? To wait and see? To have an editor immediately?
Let me propose an alternative.
The immediate use of HUMANIST seems to be for asking rather specific
questions, of great interest to the questioner but not so much, I
suspect, to most others. My proposal is that all who reply to such a
question should send their replies directly to the questioner, not to
HUMANIST. The questioner would then gather together the responses,
attach them to the original question, and post the results to HUMANIST,
as he or she would see fit; or, perhaps, the questioner might offer the
results to anyone who asks for them.
McLuhan talked about the "global village"; we seem to be in the midst of
one. As I know from living in a housing cooperative, making a suddenly
created community work takes some thought and seems to involve much
error. Which direction shall we blunder in?
It has occurred to me that we could very effectively distribute reviews
of software and other written work of interest among ourselves, using
HUMANIST either before publication, as a means of getting comments, or
as an indirect means of publication. So, another proposal: that we
announce to the membership the availability of such things and then send
them to whomever asks for them -- directly, not via HUMANIST. Since
software tends to change so rapidly, electronic publication seems more
suitable, though it still doesn't get as much credit.
Are there any other such uses for HUMANIST?
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Date:         26 May 1987, 23:03:02 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
An interesting item available from our Computing Services:
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February 13, 1987
 
 
                   Academic's Guide to Microcomputer Systems
                                Second Edition
 
 
 
     The University of Toronto Computing Services (UTCS) announces the second
edition of the Academic's Guide to Microcomputer Systems, a book on the
application of microcomputer hardware and software in academia. The Guide is
written primarily by the UTCS Microcomputer Support Group and is addressed to
both the complete novice and the experienced user, although the emphasis is on
introductory explanations.
 
     This edition of the Guide comprises eight volumes, varying in size.
Volume 1 contains material of an introductory and general nature.  In its
section on hardware, this volume presents a detailed treatment of the typical
components of a microcomputer, including the enhancements commonly required for
academic applications.  It points out the many pitfalls of selecting a machine
and suggests means of avoiding them.  The section on software divides academic
software by type and supplies for each a general discussion.  Among several
useful appendixes is an extensive glossary of terms.
 
     Volume 2, "Hardware Evaluations," contains brief reviews of various
commercially available systems, while each of the remaining volumes covers a
particular type of software, offering detailed reviews of several of the best
packages. The reviews are not limited to listings of features and commands but
attempt to describe the basic approach of the package in terms of its
advantages and limitations for academic work.
 
     The publisher plans to issue new editions more or less annually.  Each
edition will be available to individuals in hardcopy and to educational
institutions in electronic form via BITNET.
 
     Colleges and universities interested in distributing the Guide to their
students and faculty may obtain it in electronic form free of charge. There are
two requirements only:  a BITNET/NetNorth address and agreement to certain
minimal conditions by a site administrator with signing authority.
BITNET/NetNorth enquiries should be directed to Dr Martha Parrott (PARROTT at
UTORONTO).
 
     Printed copies of the Guide are available at CAN$21 for the complete set
(Volume 1 is available in a loose-leaf binding for an extra $1.50).  We regret
that, for mail orders, the entire set must be purchased; add $3 per set for
postage in Canada, $6 in the U.S., and $8 overseas.  Please send the
appropriate amount, in Canadian funds, to Ms. Dale Wright, Information Office,
University of Toronto Computing Services, 255 Huron Street, Room 350, Toronto,
Ontario, Canada M5S 1A1.
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Date:         26-MAY-1987 17:56:55
Reply-To:     LOU%UK.AC.OXFORD.VAX1@AC.UK
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         LOU%UK.AC.OXFORD.VAX1@AC.UK
 
 
 
 
 
 
Do all Humanists know about the Oxford Text Archive? For those
who don't, I am currently trying to find out how to send a copy
of our snapshot (listing all our machine-readable texts) to the
fileserver at Toronto so that you can get hold of it from there
direct; if I fail, let me know and I'll mail you one direct.
 
For those who do, since this is our tenth year (at least) of
operation, I've been worrying about the future. There follows
some of the fruits of this in the form of a proposed Code of
Practice, designed to liberalise and maybe improve the facilities
we currently offer. I'd be very grateful for comments,
suggestions, reactions, advice on it before I start actually
doing anything about it.
 
 
Lou Burnard
 
 
A CODE OF PRACTICE FOR A DIGITAL TEXT ARCHIVE               Draft
 
L.D. Burnard                                          24 May 1987
 
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Purpose
 
     The purpose of a digital Text Archive is to promote and
facilitate the computational analysis of literary and linguistic
texts for scholarly and educational purposes. To that end, the
Archive provides facilities for the long term storage and
maintenance of machine readable texts, publicises information
about the existence and availability of such texts and encourages
so far as possible the distribution of such texts on a scholarly
and non-profit making basis.
 
The Guidelines
 
     Depositors of texts in the Archive and users of texts
obtained from it are required to conform to the following
guidelines which together constitute the DITA Code of Practice.
 
1.   To use the text for purposes of scholarly research only and
     not for profit. To publish in an appropriate scholarly
     context the results of analyses carried out using the text.
     Where requested, to make such analyses available to the
     depositor of the text in advance of publication.
 
2.   To acknowledge in such publications or other work carried
     out both the original depositor of the text and the Archive
     itself.
 
3.   Not to hold the Archive liable for any errors of
     transcription discovered in the text, but to notify the
     Archive of all such errors as soon as possible.
 
4.   Whenever substantial alteration enrichment or revision of
     the text as received has been performed, to inform the
     Archive of the nature and scope of such alterations. To make
     any such revised version of the text available to the
     Archive for redistribution.
 
5.   Not to incorporate the text or any derivative of it in any
     commercially distributed electronic or other form of
     publication, except when explicitly so licensed by the
     Archive or the depositor of the text.
 
Access to texts
 
     Texts deposited with the Archive are assigned to one of five
Accessibility Categories, each with its own characteristics as
defined below. Wherever possible, depositors are urged to place
texts in category F or U. The Archive may impose maintenance
charges for texts in categories A, X and 0, but will maintain
texts in categories F and U free of charge.
 
     The depositor is assumed to be the owner of the materials
deposited with the Archive, or to have obtained appropriate
permissions from the copyright owner. The Archive will not accept
responsibility for any breach of copyright by the depositor.
 
F.   Texts in category F are freely available for scholarly
     purposes. Copies may be obtained from the Archive on payment
     of a small fee to cover material costs, provided that the
     above Code of Practice is observed by the recipient of the
     text. Such recipients may make further copies of the texts
     for re-distribution on a non-commercial basis only, provided
     that (a) no charge is made for such re-distribution other
     than to cover material costs (b) each such copy is
     accompanied by a copy of the Code of Practice (c) all
     subsequent users conform to the Code of Practice
 
U.   Texts in category U are also freely available for scholarly
     purposes. Copies may be obtained from the Archive on payment
     of a small fee to cover material costs, provided that the
     above Code of Practice is observed by the recipient of the
     text. A record will be kept by the Archive of all such
     copies issued, which will be made available to the depositor
     on demand. No further copies may be made by recipients of
     the text without further reference to the Archive.
 
A.   Texts in category A are subject to the same conditions as
     those in category U, with the additional proviso that copies
     will be issued only on receipt of written instructions from
     the Depositor, which should not however be unreasonably
     withheld.
 
X.   Texts in category X have been deposited with the Text
     Archive for the benefit of specified local (Oxford) users
     only. They may not be redistributed; wherever possible
     however the Archive will be able to identify a source from
     which potential users can obtain their own copies of such
     texts.
 
0.   Texts in category 0 are deposited with the Archive for
     security purposes only. They are available to the Depositor
     only and their existence in the Archive will not normally be
     publicized.
 
END OF DOCUMENT
 
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Date:         Wed, 27 May 87 14:32:31 BST
Reply-To:     CAMERON%UK.AC.EXETER@AC.UK
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         CAMERON%UK.AC.EXETER@AC.UK
Subject:      HUMANIST NETWORK
 
KEITH CAMERON
DEPARTMENT OF FRENCH AND ITALIAN
UNIVERSITY OF EXETER
EXETER
EX4 4QH
GB
392-264209
 
INTERESTED IN KEEPING ABREAST OF DEVELOPMENTS ON
HUMANIST NETWORK.
 
Have and am working of computer-assisted concordances
and research into development of expert system for
teaching/correction of French and French phonetics.
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Date:         Wednesday, 27 May 1987 0955-EST
Reply-To:     JACKA@PENNDRLS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         JACKA@PENNDRLS
 
A number of you asked to be put on the mailing list for the
Online Notes.  If you have not received back issues of the Notes
the reason is I cannot reach you electronically because the
path out is not there!  Please help me on this if you still
wish to subscribe to the Notes....JACK
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Date:         28 May 1987, 09:17:05 EDT
Reply-To:     ENGHUNT@UOGUELPH
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         ENGHUNT@UOGUELPH
 
For the linguists, a neologism from computer land:
 
When the system garbles a message, it can be said that the system
 
                       GARBAGIFIED
 
the message.
 
.
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Date:         29 May 1987, 23:26:24 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
I have suggested in passing that HUMANIST could be used to distribute
files as well as messages, e.g., reviews of software or other technical
reports. With some prodding by a fellow HUMANIST, I've discovered that
ListServ allows for centralized distribution of files. Files can be sent
to, stored on, and fetched from a ListServ node relatively easily, so
that a HUMANIST with information in high demand does not have to be
bothered with sending it to each interested person directly. This
service is available to us, and I suggest that we use it.
So that we don't wear out our welcome with the good people of UTORONTO
who sponsor our discussion group, I propose that we limit centralized
storage to those files that are truly of general interest. Highly
specialized material is better kept by the originator and sent out on
request than maintained on an expensive storage medium in Toronto. So,
if you have a candidate for centralized distribution, please send it to
me; we can argue about its generality and then have it posted or not.
In the language of a VM/CMS system, the following command will get you a
list of the files maintained for HUMANIST:
TELL LISTSERV AT UTORONTO SENDME HUMANIST FILELIST
And this command will cause a selected file to be sent to you:
TELL LISTSERV AT UTORONTO GET <filename> <filetype>
For translation of these commands into the language of your system,
please consult with your local experts. I have discovered that in many
cases wisdom is the cultivation of ignorance.
Yours, W.M.
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Date:         Sat, 30 May 87 11:42:45 BST
Reply-To:     CAMERON%UK.AC.EXETER@AC.UK
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         CAMERON%UK.AC.EXETER@AC.UK
Subject:      Filelist
 
TELL LISTSERV AT UTORONTO SENDME HUMANIST FILELIST
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Date:         30 May 1987, 16:24:10 EDT
Reply-To:     MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
Sender:       HUMANIST Discussion <HUMANIST@UTORONTO>
From:         MCCARTY@UTOREPAS
 
A colleague from Arizona has pointed out to me that pre- or
co-publication of material on HUMANIST and in printed journals is or
could be problematic. A journal editor might easily get upset, and
whether the law would interfere or not, none of us wants to make that
kind of enemy. I know there are some editors among you and, I suspect,
several authors of review articles, so I would guess that as a group we
are well qualified to talk about the issue. On the one hand publication
in a printed journal is professionally advantageous if not necessary; on
the other, the major journals can be far too slow for material of this
nature. So far, electronic publication has not been well respected --
often for very good reasons. The informality of the medium (whether
historically or intrinsically determined) seems to have encouraged
sloppiness; one tends to dash off a note not caring very much if the
language is just right. The primitive nature of many mainframe editors
doesn't help.
It seems to me that an open discussion of electronic publication would
be an excellent beginning. What attitude would you editors take if a
review article, say a very good one, were to appear first on HUMANIST?
If electronic publication had to be in lieu of appearance in a respected
journal, what would you authors do? What sort of guidelines might be
worked out for authors and editors? How can we so raise the quality of
electronic publication that it would gain the respect of wired and
unwired scholars alike?
Replies to these questions should be directed to all HUMANISTs, don't
you think?
